Ethics

Alright, well here we go. *cracks her knuckles and tries to put the restraints on*

Homosexuality:
As most of you know already, I live in a house with a gay couple. I’m a strong advocate of the GLCS (Gay Lesbian Community Services) and the GLBTSA (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, Straight Alliance). I myself am also bisexual *rolls her eyes* not like the trendy folks, I swear. The fact that I’ve never had a girlfriend and am a monogomous person just goes to show that much. Heck, I never knew it was unusual to be attracted to both genders until someone brought it to my attention in the 10th grade. I just always was *shrug*

Alright, here’s a tidbit for you…I have yet to hear a non religious argument as to why homosexuality is “wrong”. Religions, folks, are fallible. They are the word of God/Allah/Goddess/Gods passed down -through man-. And really, do you know how many -versions- of the bible there are? So many with so many differences, such as, one version goes and calls Mary a “Young Woman” not a “Virgin”. Another says that “Thou shalt not suffer evil to live” and another says “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”. Pretty big difference, folks. Alright, you believe what you believe, but really, lets sway away from the corrupt nature of a book that has been changed over a dozen times and stick to something logical.

Also, for the religious folks…if a person is good…whole heartedly good, a pure soul doing what they believe is right, doing what they find in their heart and not swaying any way the wind turns…then why would this merciful being, who -created- them cast them down into the depths of hell for all eternity, just for being a person who had morals and values and followed them with a pure heart? Really…I don’t buy it.

Secondly, there was an article in “Time” magazine I read at the laundromat. A study in the Karolinska Institute in Sweden was done on people’s reaction to Pheremones. Pheremones are chemicals that each gender has, a scent that we no longer smell exactly, but it’s been proven that the part of our brains that govern our sexual arousal, the hypothalamus, can recognize the chemicals and hormones in the Pheremones and respond accordingly.
“The experiment was elegantly simple. Just as they had in a series of tests in 2001, the Swedish scientists isolated two substances suspected of being human pheromones–an estrogent-like chemical distilled from a womans urine, and a testosterone-related chemical derived from male swear. Using both MRI and PET scans, the researchers found that women registered the female pheromone in the smell-processing part of the brain. But when sniffing the male pheromones, their hypothalamuses lit up as well. In men, the results were exactly the opposite.
All that had been shown before. What was new in the recent experiments was the inclusion of gay men. “Gay men are a great control group for this kind of study”, says Hamer, “Because they’re pretty much the same as straight men except for that one factor.” Sur eenough, when the scientists ran the experiment this time, the results were striking: When gay men were exposed to male pheromones, their hypothalamuses lit up just like a woman’s. Female hormones did nothing for them.” (Time Magazine, May 23, 2005. Pg 61 “The Scent of a Man”. Lemonick, Michael D.)

Proving that there is some biological backing to homosexuality. We can’t smell these scents, but they are registered in our brains. Of course, the only thing this doesn’t show is that there isn’t some backing towards homosexuality in a learned state when younger…which is why there will be a study with children and phereomones as well as lesbians and bisexuals. But…once grown, this shows that there is, at the -very least- some kind of biological backing.

One of my roomates, Steven, came from a very very strict baptist family. So strict that “pre marital dancing” wasn’t allowed. So when he told his family he was gay at 13, he was sent to treatment, naturally. He tried and tried for 5 years to be straight. He had girlfriend, he went to therepy for it, he went to “degayification” camps, went to bible camp, study, everything…but it was empty for him. He -wanted- to be straight for himself and his families sake…but it was hallow, he said to me that it was like suppressing who he really was, hiding a part of his very being. After 5 years, he just accepted who he was, and after being thrown out on his butt, he learned to live with it.

Really…unless someone loves the idea of being ridiculed, beaten, hurt, disowned and thrown out…the ‘choice’ of being gay seems like a silly one. In my mind, if it was a choice, unless a person loved being treated like dirt and a disease by a majority of people, it would be a choice a lot of people wouldn’t make.

Well, what about those degayification camps that succeed? They turn people straight again, right? There have been a number of studies and notes written by psychologists saying that during psychoannalysis of these people who have undergone these kinds of treatments are the most warped, suppressed, unhappy and mentally emotionally scarred people alive today. *shrug*

People say it is ‘unnatural’ to have homosexuality…Yet, homosexual relations happen in the animal kingdom too, you know. Yes, the only time it happens is when there is an overpopulated area of said animals…and I don’t know about you, but I would definately concider the earth overpopulated by people. So, how can it be ‘unnatural’ when it happens in -nature-? *quirk*

Really it’s sad to have to supress how you feel. Take your sexuality. What if people had a stigma against male-female relationships? How would you feel having to supress your urges to look at the opposite sex, pretend you’re something you’re not? Of course, that’s my outlook on it.

Any kind of love is alright…it’s your hate you should be looking after.

Abortion:
This is something that is not a case of right vs. wrong. That is part of it, but here is the catch…society has a stigma against teenaged mothers. In many states, cities, school districts, a pregnant student is forced into night school, tossed out completely, transfered to a school away from other children just because of societies outlook on pregnancy. That alone is the reason why a lot of teenagers go and get abortions, so they can still have an education.

While we’re talking about teenagers, we’ve covered rape situations, but what about rape situations where it’s incest? Fathers, brothers, uncles, other realtives who have raped and got a family member pregnant? Just a curious question.

What about if the mother was on something while pregnant. A crack addict. Smoking. Cocain. Pot. Booze…something anything…what if she has AIDS…is it fair to have the child born with an addiction for the rest of it’s life? Or a disease?

Those are just idle questions I pose to people…here are my thoughts.

Abortion is going to continue whether it is legal or not. Right or Wrong, Legal or Illegal, it will continue. And really, would we rather have a bunch of illegal, unclean, disease wrought abortions going on, or something in a sterile environment where people are faced with new information on the process, know what’s going to happen, are given alternatives at the clinic, are educated on the process which is done safely and the woman is taken under for psychoanalys before and afterwards?

Let’s say it is illegal, just a what if. Well, a woman is pregnant…not even a teenager, a married woman. Her husband decides, no, he doesn’t want another child and he isn’t about to let the community see her pregnant and no baby. Well, he takes a coat hanger to her. He shoves her down the stairs. Something, anything to try and abort it and eventually kills the woman. Is that a success story? Not only have we now aborted the child, but we have killed a woman. But also, we’ve killed off whatever children that would have come from that woman in the future, when they were ready. We’ve aborted not just that prospective child, but the prospect of any other children that they would’ve had. Is that a wise decision? Well, wise or not, that was my grandmother. And that is what happens when the option is not there for a safe, legal way to go about it.

I don’t recall if this something that has come up yet, but what if the child is life threatening? What if there are complications. Gestational Diabetes, mental redardation, blood clots, ceserian section for the birth and even then the child could be unhealthy and die. When do we draw the line? What about eggs that are fertilized in a fallopian tube? Can we abort those? What about eggs that split in some strange manner and are going to be physically disabled and have to be taken care of their entire lives? I want to know when we draw the line for when it is ‘acceptable’.

A healthy child, a healthy woman. An unhealthy child, an unhealthy woman. A healthy child, an unhealthy woman. A healthy child, un unwilling woman…I mean really, when is that line drawn?

In my eyes, it is a womans choice. The child feeds from her, it is a kind of (mind the phrasing) leech off her body until it is born. It is part of her, a body, a form that is unable to live on its own without her. If you could take a fetus and take it from the womb and sit it outside on its own and let it sit there, no help from anyone else and it could breath on its own, pump its own blood, digest its own food, then yes, it is a separate entity, but until it can, it is part of the woman. As a matter of fact, if it weren’t for the placenta the child is born with, if the child is somehow disconnected from it, the womans immunce system kicks in and sees the fetus as a threat, a foriegn body and destroys it. The only thing that keeps the immunities from doing that is the placenta and the umbilical cord that attaches it.

The only reason why I don’t believe in partial birth abortions is because you should’ve made your decision by then. It’s simple procrastination and by then, a responsible person would’ve made a decision and followed through by then. And by then a child can be born prematurely and live on its own, so…yes…that and somehow I don’t find it too savory that they have to pry the childs head open, suck the brain out in order to collapse the skull and then remove the rest. Much more vicious in my twisted opinion.

I have to quote my mother here and say that to me, a seed is not a tree.

Animals:
Alright, well, this is rather easy to talk about. I don’t like eating much meat…*shrug* just doesn’t taste that great to me…but here’s the thing…if we were at this very moment to let all the cows and pigs and chickens in the world go, let them live their own lives, free…free as the wind blows *cues chimes* …they would destroy the land. No, I mean it. Cows are the dumbest, more domesticated, inbred animals ever. They eat so much and crap everywhere, indiscriminantly and have such masses that they would completely ruin the land. The same with chickens and pigs. They have become so inbred and domesticated that they do not know how to live without us.

They would eat all the grass until they were sick and kill themselves, they would be picked off in the wild anyway and become extinct, they are stupid, dense, domestic and have no fighting skills to bare the wild. They are only alive because we breed them and take care of them. And really, since cows make crappy pets, what’s left than to eat them. Why not, it’s a great market, great cash crop, it keeps them alive and they bring smiles to thousands of gap toothed, corn eating, bug squashing, booger picking kids every day during the summer as burgers and hot dogs.

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Be careful there buddy, it is true that biblically speaking that God is the creator of everything. However, homosexuality is not a “thing” but an ACTION that someone chooses to participate in. God created good and He created evil. And He did not even introduce us to evil but ONLY good. What you must understand is that God did not create sins. Sins is your choose of manifesting evil. Thus, it is very clear that God is not the author of “homosexuality” which is biblically a sin.

Before I go any further, let me clarify that homosexuality is nothing more than a choice. A person chooses to be an homosexual. Yes, a person can be attracted to someone of the same sex and that is what you call “TEMPTATION,” being attracted to the same sex is not “homosexuality” nor does it makes anyone an homosexual. To be an homosexual, one has to choose to engage in a relationship with a person.

Let’s see what the bible has to say regarding homosexuality being a choice or not.

Romans 1:27-32 – For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So it is very clear that homosexuality is not ONLY a choice but it is unatural.

Let me restate that you said “most people.” Now let’s see what the Bible says.

2 Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Joshua 1:8 – This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

In addition to this, homosexuality is not only wrong from the Old Testament – But it is wrong in the New Testament as well – I have already posted some a passage about it from the new testament and I will post more. Take a look.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

In case verse 9 wasn’t clear – Here is the same verse from a different version.

Corinthians 6:9 – Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Timothy 1:8-11 8 Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

I can go on pasting more scriptures from the New Testament proving you that homosexuality is not an “old testament” thing but I believe those should be enough.

Be careful, you need to separate three things when you are talking about the Old Testament, and those are: 1) Sins, 2) Symbols, 3) Traditions and Customs.

Most of the things in the Old Testament were traditions that were never a biblical principale that was ordained by God as a rule that we should follow. THey were ONLY Jewish Traditions. We also have things that are symbolic that we NO LONGER need to do because they have been revealed and they are NO LONGER required. For instance, if a man was leprous – He had to follow a certain step to become “clean.” Today, we do NOT need to follow this because the blood of Jesus Christ is powerful enough to purify us of all things. We had circumcision, this was symbolic to accepting Jesus’ sacrifice. The list goes on and on – But by all means, feel free to post some that you feel we are violating.

Lastly, we have sins – Sins remain sins no matter what. Except for meat because God especifically revealed to peter that eating meat was no longer a sin. But it will be a sin to YOU only if it is against your conscience. Otherwise, eat ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that is sold in the supermarket. The only restriction we have about food is food that are for idols.

You miss the whole meaning of love, can I claim that I love you while I see you pointing a knife into your heart and I say “I love you, just go ahead and kill yourself.” Love is not just a word, we need to manifest that love. Homosexuality being a sin, we need to manifest our love toward every homosexual by telling them that they need to repent. If I claim that I love the homosexuals and yet accept them in their sin then I clearly do not love them. Jesus loved us, He didn’t just claim that He loved us but He came and DIED four our sins and TOOK US AWAY from sins and showed us the way to righteousness.

Quote me a scripture that shows you where any bible charater accepted someone in a sin. Jesus never did, He opened the doors to sinners and see what happened; they REPENTED.

First and foremost, Christianity is about what one “chooses” to do. It is about what one chooses to do according to God’s will. There is no such thing as “Christian Homosexual” – it is either you are Christian or homosexual. You can’t be both at the same time. You can’t use your friend’s decision to be disobedient to God’s words as a way to justify homosexuality. Judge homosexuality according to God’s words and not according to what “christians” choose to do. Let me show you a similar example with a “christian” gay in the bible.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

What’s happening here? Paul was absent and while he was away, there was someone who was practicing homosexuality/immorality in the church. The leaders just sat there and said nothing. When Paul came back he said that this man should be remove among you and deliver unto satan for the destruction of the flesh. This is the case of someone who chooses to be gay and has no intention of leaving the sin. So this person should be delievered to satan; before you misunderstand this passage, let me explain to you what it means. It simply means that let this person go unto the hands of satan so that he can repent so that his soul can be saved at the end. This is nothing new, God has turned away from Israel (from the OT) and delivered them unto satan for their own good. When Israel realized that they were losing wars and famine took place and all sort of bad things happening to them, they repented.

Your friend needs to acknowledge the love of God and turn away from homosexuality. Now, I am not claiming that this is an easy task but through God all things is possible. Satan is too powerful to let him leave the sin on himself, but through God He can if he chooses to follow submits himself completely to God and resist the devil, he will overcome.

I’m not going to start quoting scripture in defense of anything (I’m in agreement with Reliable) but this is what I have to say, briefly.
Any scripture can be taken out of context quite easily. Remove a few verses from the surrounding text and you can manipulate it to mean whatever you like in support of your argument. When you look at the verses and the bible as a whole, it is quite clearly against sins in general (which i think is obvious) and it counts homosexuality as a sin.
Anyone who has been saying “there is increasing evidence showing homosexuality is biologically based” hasn’t been keeping up with all the news. there’s just as much evidence showing it’s a choice. it’s split pretty evenly right down the middle. some research will come out claiming they’ve found substantial evidence of genetic influence, then another study with credentials that are just as reliable and worthy states that choice has a great deal of influence. No one can agree on one answer.
As for Jesus being opening and welcoming of everyone, yes. He was. BUT there’s a catch to that statement. He loved the people, NOT their sins. “Love the sinner, not the sin.” That is a huge difference.

and that’s your opinion. you’re perfectly entitled to having your own opinion about anything, but it doesnt mean you’re right. Keep that in mind.

The Bible also says to work to convince those people of the right way. It doesn’t mean to avoid them entirely, that’s generally impossible. If people would use some common sense when “interpreting” these things, that would rather apparent, i’d think.

I have already explained to you the fact that God created everything does not include sins. Using the same argument is not a good way of keeping a good conversation.

God did not just create sex, he created it and He layed out the condition for sex. He tells you that is only between a man and a woman within a marriage bond. And you see the verity of His guideliness for sex by it’s manifestation through children. Now, this is what I don’t get. God created sex and He gave you its condition and now you want to tell God How He should do or have done his job. You need to accept the fact that God is omniscient and omnipotent, if He says that sex is within marriage bond ONLY, He knows why and we should follow His will. However, He indeed give you free will to be obidient or to be rebelious.

So you went from rejecting the old testament to claiming that we should give you verses from the New Testament as Christians. Now that we have given you verses from the New Testament, you claim that they are Paul’s and not Christ’s – give you verses from Jesus. I am curious as what you will be asking for next? Anyways, you asked for verses from Jesus Christ, here you go.

Matthew 15:19-20 – For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man:

Matthew 19:9 – And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Christ indeed taught against homosexuality. Paul only expanded Christ’s teaching on an already known sin. He received God’s permission to write the word of God. By rejecting the OT, the part of the NT, I can see a pattern or clearly trying a way to escape the truth that you already know is the truth. But like I have said before, you have free will. But keeping mind that rejecting the truth does not change the fact that the truth will remain what it is whether or not you accept it.

So you are saying that Paul was teaching the Romans to reject himself? Do you even know who the “those” that Paul is refering to are? Paul was warning the Christians of people like you who is not serving the Lord Jesus Christ but your own self by giving “fair” speeches to decieve the heart.

Let’s see if this is the opinion of one man.

Acts 10:9-15
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

What’s happening here, Peter was hungry and God offered to him food. The cood contained meats that were NOT PERMITTED so refused saying “Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.” God replied “What God hath cleansed, that call not thouh common.” In other words, God is telling Him how dare you to call what I say clean unclean? This passage here is a clear evidence that we are no longer under the yoke of this “clean or unclean meat.”

1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26 For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.

We see here apostle Paul confirming something that has already been revealed to peter.

Wrong, it was not a sin. You need to understand that at that time we were leaving under a different dispensation in which we had “an eye for an eye.” Now we are living under the grace of Jesus CHrist that says:

Matthew 5:38-42: 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Grace doesn’t allow you to do harm unto those who have done harm unto you. It’s like someone claims that he can have slave because there was a time when the USA wasn’t against slavery.

THere are no parts in the bible that is ignored. They are parts that are accomplished, some that are not yet accomplished, some that are transforemed into grace, and so on – So bring your quotes from the Old Testament and I will tell you that it is NOT ignored. I will not simply tell you, I will show you how and why.

NO. Why? Because we can’t because clearly homosexuality is not a disease.

Show me a scripture that shows that Jesus accepted a sinner as he or she was. Like I said to you before, Jesus welcome all sinners and see what happened to them, they REPENTED. They were no longer sinners. If you wish, I can give you a list of them.

No, an homosexual is still a man. Therefore limited in knowledge. Like I have told you before, knowledge comes from God only.

Proverbs 1:7 – The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Read what I said again, I never said that science should be discounted.

So tell me, if you are writing an essay using a pen. The essay is the pen’s words or YOUR words? God used man to write HIS words.

In an attempt to reject God’s words, you contradicted yourself many times and started making no sense. If you read my previous posts and above posts you will see the flaw in the quoted passage above.

I would have posted more but I am limited in time at the moment. I will post more later.

Okay seeing as this has turned to biblical arguements i thought i would add in a few things that fit in. First off i myself do believe there is a God, but the bible is a different story. I have many friends whom consider themselves atheist, so i shall be speaking from what i have heard them say.

Okay well who is to say that we should all abide by the bible? Who’s to say that it wasn’t just a book written a long time ago for entertainment purposes…If you try saying oh well so many things are true from there and have happened….Well then if i start writing a book now and actually happen to predict the things of the future unknowingly…Then in the future is my book going to be considered the new bible? Am i the new creator of everything and did i make all those things happen? Will the rest of the things in my book keep coming true?…When using the bible in context to defend your arguements, i honestly have to ask…..How do you KNOW that the bible is right?? I mean did God tell you that being a homosexual is wrong?? Did he come in your dreams and tell you?? Or is the bible the only thing?? If the bible had said in the end…Everyone should kill themselves on December 16, 2016 (picking random date)…Would you do it? I mean you seem to be listening to the bible on everything else since it’s something of God. Hm?

But in the end those are just thoughts, since i don’t see the bible as a good arguement, since i previously mentioned of people saying “You’re gay, so you’re going to hell.” Just go ahead and listen to the other saying of “Thou shall not judge, leave it up to HIM” So let them be, if they are meant to go to hell they will, its not up to you to tell them.

And that’s my two cents on this.

Let me clarify something, when I joined this conversation you were replying to someone’s post and you were talking about Christianity. Except for one thing, and that is you were talking about the bible incorrectly. Now, my job as a Christian is to use the bible to show you the truth. It would be ignorant of me to think of convincing you because I know that I can’t and it is not job to do so. My job is to introduce you to the truth and the choice is up to you. I cannot force the Christian faith on your throats nor can I stone you for not accepting it. But if you choose to use the bible or choose to talk about Christianity, do it correctly and accordign to the Christian faith. The moment you say something that is against or wrong about the Christian faith (using the bible or anything ) it will be my job to show you what the word teaches.

Contrary to what most people choose to believe, the bible cannot be interpreted in many “completely different interpretations.” Because the Holy Spirit is the one who interpretes for us and we follow. The bible is not an ordinary book like any novel or any newspaper. It is unique and it does not contradict itself. So therefore, your/the interpretations have to be in harmony with the rest of the bible. If they are not, then the bible itself will prove you wrong. I have shown you that the bible proves that your interpretations are wrong.

I can honestly tell you that you can’t because the bible will not support the interpretations you are giving the scriptures. The disagreement does not exist between us but between you and the word of God. Like I said before, my job is to show this to you.

Now don’t get me wrong, if you wish to speak about homosexuality on a general point of view and not use “Christianity” or the bible to justify your point. Then by all means do so, but if you are using the bible or Christianity incorrectly, I will intervene. It is because of these things that many people see Christianity as something bad because so many people use it for their own profit and disregard the doctrines of Christianity.

Now back to the topic, according to Christianity homosexuality is not only a choice but something unatural, immoral and a sin. You have the right to disagree with this because God Himself has given you free will. So feel free to object based on your personal views that will not include using the bible to justify these views because the bible is clearly and completely against it.

You are missing one thing and that is, sins are not wrong because they harm the society. They are wrong because they are disobedience to the word of God. God hates sins, so therefore homosexuality is wrong. Whether or not it harms the society does not justify nor does it change the fact that it is wrong.

Take a look at Qwency’s response to my post. He/she disagreed with me using his/her own personal views without using the bible to try and justify his/her views. I am not saying that I agree with him/her and of course I will reply to the post later on, but the biblical replies are my priorities.