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July 24, 2006 at 2:27 pm #24143MrEggsaladParticipant
I didn’t really want to make a new thread, so I thought this would be a good spot since we are talking about features. Well, I have been talking with Awesomesauce, discussing the podcast. And I am not really all that happy with it. First, no offence, but neither of you two (Jeff or Spike) were in the Yahoo thing, I felt either Vanessa or I should have at least talked to you guys about it to say, or even better be in the podcast. I was sorta mad also when I saw that Vanessa got all the credit, and I’m sure she would say, that I was there for a good deal of the time helping out. I’m sorta tired of seeing people who don’t know the stories talking about them, I just don’t think that’s good for the podcast. Also, when Awesomesauce and I were talking, he had some good points.
News is the same:
(10:04:08 AM) Dan: well, sometimes i think that if you’re just talking about some news that was already posted in a more in-depth article on the website
(10:04:14 AM) Dan: then what’s the point?
10:04:49 AM) Dan: if you’re having some kind of roundtable with multiple people discussing, i could understand how a podcast would be more practical than just transcribing everything
(10:04:58 AM) MrEggsalad: yeah
(10:05:09 AM) Dan: but most of the news i’ve found in the BBB podcast i can just scan over somewhere in the stie
(10:05:11 AM) Dan: site*
(10:05:58 AM) Dan: see? the post even gives you links to those articles
(10:06:07 AM) Dan: until i become blind, i’ll be fineAlso, he dislikes the music.
(10:07:47 AM) Dan: gah… that music is really getting old
(10:07:50 AM) MrEggsalad: heh
(10:07:51 AM) Dan: it wasn’t even that good from the start
(10:07:54 AM) MrEggsalad: and guess what
(10:07:57 AM) Dan: what
(10:08:00 AM) MrEggsalad: they play it again in the middle!
(10:08:06 AM) Dan: hah.So, now I think we need to maybe do some other things, which I see we will be doing and that’s good, hopefully either have the two hosts learn everything, or switch one with someone who does for that one podcast, and do something about the music. My parents also complain about it :o.
And please don’t be all mean in responses, just try to take it as constructive critisim (hopefully spelled right!). I didn’t want to say all that to the public, and I thought you should really see how I, and a member feel about the podcast.
July 24, 2006 at 3:39 pm #148850OreoMemberConstructive feedback is always good. I would say though, maybe poll some other members besides AS and see what they have to say for improvements…it is not to say that AS is not a valuable source, it is just my statistics background…you need to have some more people that agree and/or disagree to really find out if it is just a group of people with these feelings (an age group, group of friends, etc…) or if it is the public at large. You have some interesting points…the music does not bother me so much…but there’s always room for change. That’s my 2 cents at least 🙂
July 24, 2006 at 4:40 pm #148846Jeff HesterKeymasterI split this to a new topic because it’s a different subject.
Ryan, I appreciate your feedback. I’m sorry you felt slighted about the Yahoo thing, and frankly I gave Vanessa kudos based on what you wrote in the staff room.
As for the format, the podcast does review the news we’ve covered on the site with discussion, analysis and opinion. I’m moving away from a roundtable discussion for a variety of reasons, including technical, quality control, and scheduling problems.
The BigBlueBall podcast reaches a different audience; you aren’t really the target, as you’re always here on the site. As we’ve already discussed, many people don’t read or visit the home page, and the podcast provides an easy way to keep abreast of the changes in the IM world.
As for the music, that’s a subjective thing. I’ve had a lot of feedback from people that they love the music. I’m not planning to change it in the near future. But if you’ve got some music that we can use legally for free, I’ll be happy to consider it.
July 24, 2006 at 5:02 pm #148862sarahtownyMemberDan mentioned he could scan the site for the answers to most of the things covered on the podcast. That is probably true, but personally I find it great for me because I tend not to go into certain areas very much so I keep up to date with the podcast. It also show’s how lazy I am! But when your busy it can be difficult to keep up to date with these things.
Sure there are links after the podcast but again if your busy it’s helpful so that you can go back later to check these things out more.
Sometimes people forget and it has been shown very much recently that not everyone is as computer knowledgeable as some members here, like me! lol
July 25, 2006 at 12:07 am #148864MrEggsaladParticipantWell yes, I did think of that after I posted, but I was just hoping to get a little credit for the Yahoo thing, ah well. In the past right?
July 25, 2006 at 3:20 am #148869MrOatsMemberI think the music is alright… But Hey, heres an idea: You can play flashy and Upbeat, real-time songs in the beginning of the podcast, then fade out.They should be current and well known. I think it would grab more intrest of people and make it more dynamic(maybe… please don’t yell at me! 😮 )
Heres some of the latest, Provided by iTunes “Top 100 Songs”: “Promiscous” -Nelly Furtado, “I Write Sins Not Tragedies” -Panic! @The Disco… I’d sure pay attention to a podcast with current, and popular music playing on it! *starts humming “I Write Sins Not Tragedies” tune* I can provide you with the mp3’s for free if you’d like them. 😉
Sarah wrote:That is probably true, but personally I find it great for me because I tend not to go into certain areas very much so I keep up to date with the podcast. It also show’s how lazy I am! But when your busy it can be difficult to keep up to date with these things.That’s exactly how I feel about it. I think it is great too. 🙂 *nods*
July 25, 2006 at 3:50 am #148856TigerbladeParticipantMrOats wrote:I think the music is alright… But Hey, heres an idea: You can play flashy and Upbeat, real-time songs in the beginning of the podcast, then fade out.They should be current and well known. I think it would grab more intrest of people and make it more dynamic(maybe… please don’t yell at me! 😮 )… I can provide you with the mp3’s for free if you’d like them. 😉
heh… except… there’s that whole *illegal* thing then. it’s one thing if you have them just to listen to for your own enjoyment, it’s another thing if we started using them (without permission) in a podcast.
meh, i have no real issues with the podcast as is. i think the music is fine (it’s not a podcast about music, so the wee bit of intro music shouldnt be a big concern of anyone’s, really); i think that as long as the two hosts have a good idea of what they’re talking about, there isn’t much of a problem. if there’s someone else that can call in (skype, etc) or pre-record a segment to talk about that topic, fantastic, but if not then we just have to make do with what we do have.
and yes, the podcast isn’t necessarily *for* those of us who are on the forums regularly seeing all the action. especially those of us on staff who see all the behind-the-scenes action too and know what’s going on. it’s an overview show, highlighting the basic news and such.
July 25, 2006 at 3:58 am #148852shifterMemberMrEggsalad wrote:Well yes, I did think of that after I posted, but I was just hoping to get a little credit for the Yahoo thing, ah well. In the past right?
MrEggsalad, if you deserved above average credit, you would have gotten it. I can’t believe you’d expect a thank you for what little you did in that thread. Now I do appreciate you supporting Vanessa in there, but I’ve read through that thread, and I barely saw you in there. Maybe 5 posts? I think Vanessa’s count was up near the 20s. And I won’t even get into comparing the quality of answers. So, if you feel you need a pat on the back for those 5 responses, then you are going to be severely disappointed my friend! Sorry to be so harsh man, but I am really annoyed at the way you’ve brought this up and I’ve lost alot of respect for you man. When you deserve a thank you, you will be thanked. But if you need to beg for one, than you most definitely do not deserve one.Now as for the podcast, I personally think it’s is getting better and better, and I love the direction Jeff is taking it. I didn’t see anything in the least bit constructive in you so-called “constructive criticism”. You and Dan hate it all. Great, too bad for you. I think the two host deal is great, and they certainly covered everything just fine, I don’t see any need for the whole staff to comment. Why should the hosts need to part of a thread they talk about? They covered everything perfectly. The music is great, best podcast intro music ever! Keep up the great work guys!
Now I realize I may come off as a bit of an ass here, but I think it needed to be said. Now maybe your on some whacky meds that are trippin out your perceptions which might explain all this crap, but I’m going to have to call you out here and ask you to stop trying to take credit for something you DID NOT DO. Vanessa deserves all the credit for keeping a handle on the Yahoo outage and I think it’s very disrespectful that you are trying to take even a little of it away from her. And please do not put words into her mouth, if she thinks that you deserve thanks, I’m sure she will let us know. Now I’m going to forget this crap and hope that your EggSalad was only scrambled temporarily.
Peace:)
Oh and Mr.Oats, those songs are copyrighted and Jeff cannot play them without paying for them!
July 25, 2006 at 10:51 am #148870MrOatsMemberTom wrote:heh… except… there’s that whole *illegal* thing then. it’s one thing if you have them just to listen to for your own enjoyment, it’s another thing if we started using them (without permission) in a podcast.shifter wrote:Oh and Mr.Oats, those songs are copyrighted and Jeff cannot play them without paying for them!*looks down, kicks rock* Oh. Why didn’t I think of that? :confused:
Ah well, I think the music is still pretty catchy. 😉
…So, did Jeff make that music or is he paying for it?July 25, 2006 at 12:00 pm #148865MrEggsaladParticipantshifter wrote:MrEggsalad, if you deserved above average credit, you would have gotten it. I can’t believe you’d expect a thank you for what little you did in that thread. Now I do appreciate you supporting Vanessa in there, but I’ve read through that thread, and I barely saw you in there. Maybe 5 posts? I think Vanessa’s count was up near the 20s. And I won’t even get into comparing the quality of answers. So, if you feel you need a pat on the back for those 5 responses, then you are going to be severely disappointed my friend! Sorry to be so harsh man, but I am really annoyed at the way you’ve brought this up and I’ve lost alot of respect for you man. When you deserve a thank you, you will be thanked. But if you need to beg for one, than you most definitely do not deserve one.Now as for the podcast, I personally think it’s is getting better and better, and I love the direction Jeff is taking it. I didn’t see anything in the least bit constructive in you so-called “constructive criticism”. You and Dan hate it all. Great, too bad for you. I think the two host deal is great, and they certainly covered everything just fine, I don’t see any need for the whole staff to comment. Why should the hosts need to part of a thread they talk about? They covered everything perfectly. The music is great, best podcast intro music ever! Keep up the great work guys!
Now I realize I may come off as a bit of an ass here, but I think it needed to be said. Now maybe your on some whacky meds that are trippin out your perceptions which might explain all this crap, but I’m going to have to call you out here and ask you to stop trying to take credit for something you DID NOT DO. Vanessa deserves all the credit for keeping a handle on the Yahoo outage and I think it’s very disrespectful that you are trying to take even a little of it away from her. And please do not put words into her mouth, if she thinks that you deserve thanks, I’m sure she will let us know. Now I’m going to forget this crap and hope that your EggSalad was only scrambled temporarily.
Peace:)
Oh and Mr.Oats, those songs are copyrighted and Jeff cannot play them without paying for them!
I’d like to ask you, as the team leader where you might have been through the Yahoo thing? And I helped out in the IRC as well. But you know what, screw it, aparently I try to tell you what I do think of stuff and bleh, thrown in my face. Look, he, a MEMBER, WILLINGLY said that, I asked what he thought about the podcast and that’s what he said, and if you don’t choose to take it as constructive criticism, than that’s your fault. I don’t hate the podcast, or I wouldn’t try to help improve would I? You know, why not just give Dan the credit for this post? Obviously he said more, well lets look, only a few lines by me, well ok then. Maybe this is immature of us and stuff, however, I give FEEDBACK, stuff you just may want to look at because I can assure you that more people than just Dan and I feel that way. Maybe my thread was a little harsh, but you sir, well that was just uncalled for. Fine, give Vanessa all the credit, I WON’T help next time. I WON’T beg my parents to stay on an extra hour to help out. I’ll just let people struggle by themselves. Happy?
July 25, 2006 at 12:15 pm #148857TigerbladeParticipantnow now… let’s not get all bent out of shape here. you offered your take on something, and shifter offered his. as for the yahoo thing, it doesn’t matter where he was as team leader during all that. we’re all volunteers here, meaning we offer our time here when we’re available. we each appreciate the efforts of each of the other staffers, even when it may feel at times that that’s not true. but the idea isn’t to “get credit” for things. the idea is to just keep this community flowing smoothly.
let’s not overreact here, please.
July 25, 2006 at 1:01 pm #148847Jeff HesterKeymasterMrOats wrote:…So, did Jeff make that music or is he paying for it?The credit for the music goes to Brian Weidemann, and there is a link for more info included in the show notes. He happens to be the son of a friend of mine, and he gladly agreed to let us use that or any of his music at no cost. He has even offered to create bits if we need something a little different.
I’m not keen on changing it from week to week, because over time, the music becomes recognizable. You hear it, and you think, “Ah…the BBB Podcast.” But as I said before, I’m happy to make adjustments.
There is another option. There is music that artists have made available for use by podcasts. It’s called “podsafe music” and there is an entire site dedicated to it: http://music.podshow.com/
Even so, nearly all of the bands are small, unknown garage bands that you’ve never heard of. But there is some great music in there. We could certainly draw from some other music, particularly for thematic segues (a thrashing guitar lick for a “rant of the week” for example).
MrEggsalad wrote:… give FEEDBACK, stuff you just may want to look at because I can assure you that more people than just Dan and I feel that way.Ryan, go back and read my original reply to you.
July 25, 2006 at 1:09 pm #148866MrEggsaladParticipantOk, so I know I’m not the target, however, the majority of the people who this would target do in fact look at the front page and I imagine they would read some of the news that was there. It’s just you guys wanted feedback, I gave some, I’m sorry if it’s not what you wanted to hear, but it is how Dan feels, and how I feel. And now we are back to the problems with honest feedback……:(
July 25, 2006 at 1:55 pm #148848Jeff HesterKeymasterRyan, as I said in my original reply to you, I do appreciate the feedback. I also explained why I’m doing what I am with the podcast. Right now, the feedback from Dan run counter to most of the feedback I’ve received.
I’d like to remind the entire staff that I would like to get as many people as possible (and interested) involved in the podcast, and I’ve created a discussion where you can help brainstorm ideas for contributing and express your availability to participate.
https://bigblueball.com/forums/staff-room/36851-bigblueball-podcast-participation.html
July 25, 2006 at 9:00 pm #148853shifterMemberMrEggsalad wrote:I’d like to ask you, as the team leader where you might have been through the Yahoo thing?Ask away, but I really don’t see the relevance. I’m Team Leader, not Team Babysitter. I can’t be online 24/7 and Vanessa has proven herself more than capable of handling anything that comes her way.MrEggsalad wrote:And I helped out in the IRC as well.I realize that there was stuff going on in IRC as well, but I’ve talked to those who were participating in the Chat Room at that time and they do no recall you being very active for any major length of time. Certainly not enough to deserve the accolades you are demanding.MrEggsalad wrote:You know, why not just give Dan the credit for this post? Obviously he said more, well lets look, only a few lines by me, well ok then. Why not let Dan speak for himself? There is a suggestions area in the forums, I’m sure his opinions might be heard better coming from himself, rather than your second hand IM copy and paste job.MrEggsalad wrote:Fine, give Vanessa all the credit, I WON’T help next time. I WON’T beg my parents to stay on an extra hour to help out. I’ll just let people struggle by themselves. Happy?You’re the one that gave Vanessa all the credit in the first place, and now you’re pissed that no one noticed you. I don’t think she came even close to struggling either, she handled it all with grace and ease from what I’ve seen and been told. So get down off your high horse and get back into reality!Now I do want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone’s help in the forums and I certainly do not want to discourage you or anyone else from helping in the future. But if you are going to demand a medal everytime you make a post, then no, I really do not care for your help at all. I don’t expect any thanks for any of the behind the scenes stuff I do and I don’t hear any of the other staff members becoming outraged at a lack of thanks. If someone notices that you’re doing something above and beyond, I’m sure they’ll thank you and you’ll get all that glory you’re so obviously craving. But perhaps now is the time to look at yourself and see how immaturely you are behaving about this. I’m not telling you this stuff to be a dick, it’s how I see it and likely how alot of other staff members are seeing it (though I won’t put words into anyone elses mouths). I’d much rather you forget about getting credit and glory and fame crap and just focus on doing what got you into your Advisor position in the first place!
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