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December 18, 2007 at 5:09 am #28055jimmy12345Member
YAHOO…listen up….it’s time to scrap that captcha crap. The failed attempt to stop the bots is causing a pain in the butt. The rooms are back to 90% bots now. It takes forever to get in a room because of the bots, never mind having to type a lame captcha pw every stinking time. It’s time to go back to the way it was. The way it is now is just plain ridiculous!
December 18, 2007 at 5:25 am #165708mfenechMemberCan you find something else to about? Your whining’s getting old.
December 18, 2007 at 6:45 am #165706VvWolverinevVParticipantlol @ mfenech
December 18, 2007 at 12:00 pm #165702rafaelemtMemberMaybe you still don’t get it but Yahoo is going to have both bots and bugs forever and ever. It is better to make the best of it and use a good chat client which at least in my case allows me to get to the room I want to go and not the one Yahoo thinks you should go.
Rafael
December 19, 2007 at 10:18 pm #165703DermotParticipantThe captcha in chat is not one of a permanent nature and more like a temp condition for yahoo to decrease the bot flow in chatrooms, and by all means they have done so.
December 20, 2007 at 9:06 pm #165709jimmy12345MemberThats just not true. I just left a room with 43 supposed users. 36 were porn bots. I can understand your wanting to stick up for certain folks, but the truth is the bots are back in full force.
@Dermot 225243 wrote:
The captcha in chat is not one of a permanent nature and more like a temp condition for yahoo to decrease the bot flow in chatrooms, and by all means they have done so.
See, attitudes like this is part of the problem. Bugs are to be dealt with, I can deal with that. But, to sit back, and simply accept that pornography bots is acceptable, well that’s just not proper. I’ve said this once before, but it fell on deaf ears. There are two ways to fix it. One is to start charging a nominal fee and make it subscription based. The other is set it up to let users “self-police” the rooms. X amount of ignores to the porn bots should disable the name. This has been proven to work in other sites.
December 20, 2007 at 10:40 pm #165704DermotParticipantNot sure what rooms you frequent but i have and go to many rooms and the bot count is down as to what it was before the captcha implementation
The fact is captcha has been broken well before yahoo implemented it into chat and people will always find a way around security implements…and the fact these automated bots are in chat is not a “bug”
There are many alternatives to seeing bots in chat and you can edit your filters to block links and other malicious content.
Chat clients or ALG’s for chat will allow you to block near all SPAM bots.
Yahoo! Chat is a free service and thus will get exploited today and tomorrow
Subscription chat just does not work, look at msn chat and how long it lasted going down that road.
How many bots have your reported today?
Yahoo! spamguard just adds that bot to your ignore list and flags it as a possible bot, yahoo will not employ monitors or employees to sift through chat everyday looking for malicious users.
Yahoo! is about making money with their chat service, not losing it.
December 21, 2007 at 9:58 am #165710jimmy12345MemberI hear ya but it still doesnt make much sense. If these clients are so much better why doesn’t yahoo just use them themself? Why would Yahoo continue to spend time on updated versions of an inferior program.
I’m not sure how they make money off of chat. If it’s from selling advertising space I sure wouldn’t want to be the one paying, knowing the percentage of numbers being bots.
I’ve tried a client to use. it will block the porn bots but doesnt alleviate the problem of not being able to get in a room because its full…mostly from bots taking up slots. Today for instance, it took 15 attempts to get in a room, captcha every time, denied, captcha again, denied, then finally in, only to see a roomfull of bots.
December 21, 2007 at 11:34 am #165707dr_webMemberjimmy12345;225266 wrote:See, attitudes like this is part of the problem. Bugs are to be dealt with, I can deal with that. But, to sit back, and simply accept that pornography bots is acceptable, well that’s just not proper. I’ve said this once before, but it fell on deaf ears. There are two ways to fix it.And here’s some problem with your fixes…
jimmy12345;225266 wrote:One is to start charging a nominal fee and make it subscription based.If you make it subscription based you cannot serve up ads which would leave it down to the subscriptions alone to pick up the tab for lost advertising revenue… It wont happen!
jimmy12345;225266 wrote:The other is set it up to let users “self-police” the rooms. X amount of ignores to the porn bots should disable the name. This has been proven to work in other sites.Self Police? Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Unless there is a hierarchical organisation this can’t work. The moderators police the rooms, some other level polices the moderators and so on. Works on a forum board… but not in real time. The decision making process is too slow for a real time chat.
December 28, 2007 at 10:36 am #165711Stormy0505Member@Dermot 225269 wrote:
Not sure what rooms you frequent but i have and go to many rooms and the bot count is down as to what it was before the captcha implementation
The fact is captcha has been broken well before yahoo implemented it into chat and people will always find a way around security implements…and the fact these automated bots are in chat is not a “bug”
There are many alternatives to seeing bots in chat and you can edit your filters to block links and other malicious content.
Chat clients or ALG’s for chat will allow you to block near all SPAM bots.
Yahoo! Chat is a free service and thus will get exploited today and tomorrow
Subscription chat just does not work, look at msn chat and how long it lasted going down that road.
How many bots have your reported today?
Yahoo! spamguard just adds that bot to your ignore list and flags it as a possible bot, yahoo will not employ monitors or employees to sift through chat everyday looking for malicious users.
Yahoo! is about making money with their chat service, not losing it.
In answer to your comments:
I frequent a lot of rooms and i love having sex bots in the electronics rooms.
If captcha was “broken well before yahoo implemented it” then why bother implementing it??
“There are many alternatives to seeing bots in chat and you can edit your filters to block links and other malicious content.” The answer to this is that the average user is not that tech savvy, so your answer is “if you don`t have the skills to avoid the bots then we don`t care about you”
“How many bots have your reported today?”
Every single bloody one“Yahoo! Chat is a free service and thus will get exploited today and tomorrow”
Why? Why should yahoo not protect the integrity of it`s system? Do they have no control over their own system or servers???“Subscription chat just does not work, look at msn chat and how long it lasted going down that road.” There are other solutions
“Yahoo! is about making money with their chat service, not losing it.” Exactly, how many registered users do they have now? a million? so a subscription of $10.00 USD would make them $10,000,000.00 USD? Lets rationalize the figures, realistically lets say 500,000.00 users, that`s still $5,000,000.00, enough to hire some decent staff maybe?
Then there is the flow on effect of a good product generating further business/patronage, i thought that needed highlighting as you completely missed the original complaint that it was the number of bots keeping him out of the rooms, a DoS rather than the bots in themselves, yahoo provides a service and denies access through mismanagement!! What delicious irony 🙂
The problem with the yahoo chat rooms is not a procedural one, nor is it lack of resources, when they were implicated in some nasty goings on the changes came along very swiftly. The problem here is caused by inferior sub unit management
The solution is:
1. Employ decent management with a brief to opening a new a revenue stream and actually producing a profit from an under utilized resource.
The end result being:
1.Provision of a product that does NOT detract from the yahoo brand and is a pendant to their other market offerings.
As you may or may not be aware, the use of messenger systems in business and marketing is growing, after testing i rejected yahoo. How you can ignore an opportunity to provide a niche product is beyond me.
All decent replies will be responded to.
ST
December 30, 2007 at 1:00 pm #165705DermotParticipantThey implemented it because it can be expensive and time consuming for bot runners to bypass the captcha.
It has forced most bots to switch to pm based spam.
Captcha can be edited without interfering chat, different server
The bot problem was way worse before the Captcha, sure its still present but not in force like it was…as they actually filled rooms completely where as now they may be 10% of the room.
Yahoo! outsourced chat to a third party, they will just pass on reported issues to those responsible.
January 4, 2008 at 10:08 am #165712Stormy0505Member@Dermot 225410 wrote:
Yahoo! outsourced chat to a third party, they will just pass on reported issues to those responsible.
Nods. Yep, management by diminished responsibility, it`s an old fave. I could write their next press release:
“We were concerned at the level of dissatisfaction amongst our chat users so we have implemented a third party management program (we were too hopeless to manage our own servers) that will minimize client disatisfaction (good riddence to them) and at the same time free valuable resources (it doesn`t make us a lot of money so we don`t give a sod) We will be monitoring the progress of the new management (it`s all their fault now)
Useless.
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