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December 17, 2004 at 11:52 am #15413asfahanParticipant
Hello everyone,
This is my first post. I’m from India.. I sometimes get emails which keeps me wondering .. any comments ?
asfahan.
December 17, 2004 at 2:40 pm #109120MartinBradleyMemberI think we did land on the moon. Conspiracy theories always raise interesting points though. However, there is one of the points you mention which I can dispel, that is the one about the flag waving.
If Armstrong had of slightly jerked the flag or moved it enough to cause it to move, then it would continue to do so, because there is no atmosphere on the moon, therefore no resistance to stop the flag from moving.
December 17, 2004 at 2:47 pm #109124Crazy PenguinMemberPersonally I too think man must have landed on the moon, america landed on the moon at the height of the cold war, if they hadn’t landed on the moon the russians would have kicked up a fuss.
December 21, 2004 at 11:47 pm #109128spongebobnopantMemberi cant actually decide, because not to long ago there were 2 programs on the discovery channel one convinsed u it was real and the other was sure that it was not, after both of them I have no idea really I dont lol thinking of this actually gives me a headache :p
December 22, 2004 at 12:02 am #109125camsterMemberNo one can pull a hoax that big. It was real. Although I do have to say that your post made me think, and it gives me doubts…but, I mean…come on. I’d like to know…did you put this together, or did you get this or some info to help you put this together? I’d like to see a link to that site. And if you did put this together…don’t you think NASA would have thought about these things before making fake photographs? If it was fake, I think they would have been smart enough to think about what the shadows should look like, and shadows and such.
December 22, 2004 at 1:06 am #109126kyuubiMemberLOL!!!…it did make me think…but conspiracy theories are everywhere, I personally (or would like to) believe that the Americans did land on the moon and yeah, even if they didn’t, the Russians would have made a big fuss a long time ago….heck…there is even a 200 page paper on why the moon isn’t real….it’s just conspiracys….
December 22, 2004 at 1:35 am #109122TigerbladeParticipanti’ve seen this many times before… and each one of those anomalies has a perfectly legitimate explanation. the footprint that not even a 500 pound man could make? the moon surface does have a few inches of dust… not the feet of dust they were expecting, but enough that the astronauts would have no problem making deep prints.
the fact that there are no stars in the sky is also easy to explain… go outside at night somewhere there’s lights around… and look at the sky. you wont see any stars, because the light interference blocks them out. shadow differences can be accounted for when you realize the moon’s surface isnt perfectly flat, there are dips and bulges distorting the shadows. same thing goes for the 7 1/2 foot tall cameraman – all he had to do was be standing on a rock or a hill.etc etc. some people can manage to pull the tiniest little things and blow them out of proportion… and when someone doesnt have adequate information provided to them, they’ll believe whatever you tell them.
December 22, 2004 at 5:33 am #109130CrazymanMemberI think we landed on the moon.
Here’s why:
We were in a fierce space race with the Soviet Union, right?
And they were moderating all of our plans and signals when we were
on the moon. If we really did fake it, the Soviet Union would know, because of thier intelligance, therefore, they would of gleefully tell the world to make us look bad.
But hey, that’s my opinion.December 22, 2004 at 6:01 am #109129asfahanParticipantSorry was away for some days..
Even I believe that America did reach moon first.. coz thats wut I studied in books & heard everywhere & since this is just an email attachment so I cant really trust on this … but this is something wired so I thought of sharing it with u all & getting your comments.
asfahan
February 8, 2005 at 9:48 am #109123QwertyMember“
The hoax believers or conspiracy theorists cite all kinds of evidence.
For example, they point out that in all the photographs that supposedly show the astronauts on the airless surface of the Moon, you can’t see the stars in the black sky. The explanation is simple – even today’s best film cannot simultaneously show both a very bright object (white spacesuit in sunlight) and a very faint object (star). Story Mugrave, an astronaut who has flown in the Space Shuttle six times, said that whenever he was outside the Shuttle in the bright sunlight, he couldn’t see the stars either. But when the Shuttle was in the shadow of the Earth and his eyes had time to get adapted to the darker environment, he could then see the stars. As for the astronauts on the Moon, their short missions were all timed to land during the Moon’s day (which lasts about 14 Earth days), so that they could see what they were doing.The hoax believers also point out that in the photos, the shadows of the astronauts and their various pieces of scientific apparatus on the Moon’s surface are not quite parallel. They should be parallel, these doubters claim, if lit only a single distant light source such as the Sun. This is true – but only if you have both a level surface and are operating in three dimensions. Once you have a rolling surface, and try to show 3-dimensionsal reality in a flat 2-dimensional photograph, the shadows will fall in different directions.
They conspiracy theorists also claim that the ripple seen in the still photos in the American flag on the Moon is proof that the movie was faked in a movie studio, because only moving air can make a flag ripple. This is silly for a few reasons. First, there is no wind in a movie studio – unless the wind machine is switched on. Second, if there was enough wind in a movie studio to ripple the flag, it would have also moved the dust at their feet. But most importantly and third, the ripple was an accident. The workshops at the Manned Spacecraft Centre attached a nylon American flag to vertical and horizontal bars. These bars could telescope out, to save room when they were stored before they were used. Armstrong and Aldrin had trouble extending the horizontal telescoping rod, and could not pull it all the way out. This gave the flag a ripple. It “looked” realistic, so later Apollo crews intentionally left the horizontal rod partially retracted.
In fact, the wobbling flag that you can see in the movie helps prove that they were on the Moon. It wobbles because they have just set it up. And it continues to wobble for a little while in a very unusual fashion. This is because there is no air on the Moon that would quickly damp down the movement of the flag, and because of the gravity is one-sixth of our gravity on Earth.
But the incontrovertible proof that we did go to the Moon are the 382 kilograms of Moon rocks, which have been examined by thousands of independent geologists around the world. These rocks have been compared to a few dozen Moon rocks that were blasted by impacts off the Moon and that have landed in Antarctica, and to some Moon rocks that were recovered by robot Soviet explorers. These rocks all match.
They are very low in water, and riddled with strange tiny holes from millions of years of exposure to cosmic rays on the airless surface of the Moon. The Moon rocks are very different from Earth rocks, and could not be faked by any current technology. To make fake Moon rocks, we could have to squash them at about a thousand atmospheres, keep them at about 1,100 oC for a few years, and then cool them slowly for a few more years while keeping them under pressure all that time. And then, the NASA scientists back in 1969 would have to have worked out what new dating methods would be invented over the next 30 years, and add those elements in the exact proportions needed.”
February 8, 2005 at 3:13 pm #109121animepenguinParticipantDarn I wanted to point out the flag had a bar across the top. Also the Earth itself reflects light back at the moon from the sun, so that could be another light source.
February 9, 2005 at 1:10 pm #109127LLXerxesMemberbah just a conspiracy :p. this does raise some questions but some can be answered.
btw, nice picture. 😉 -
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