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July 14, 2005 at 7:45 am #19096
sarahtowny
MemberI saw this article on Microsoft …
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/features/fingerprint.mspx
It sounds very impressive, will this mean more security on line?? I am not sure because at the bottom of the article it says …
“The Fingerprint Reader should not be used for protecting sensitive data such as financial information or for accessing corporate networks. We continue to recommend that you use a strong password for these types of activities.”
But surely your fingerprint is the strongest of passwords? But I am no big technical wizz I am sure those of you that are will put me straight!
What do you think?
July 14, 2005 at 10:47 am #126176MartinBradley
MemberI think fingerprinting passwords is an excellent idea, as for them not being the strongest type though, not sure I agree…
July 14, 2005 at 12:40 pm #126180gossipingrae
MemberI’m not quite sure why anyone would really need a fingerprint-passworded file on their computer. I feel that large, corporate companies may find them useful, but personally, me just sitting here at my computer, i don’t really have anything on here that i can’t protect with a regular type-in-your-secret answer here.
I think it would be a pain in the butt if you ask me. Well, a pain for me really. What happens if you are eating in front of your computer and you get grease on your finger ? How would the system read your fingerprint correctly?
I only wonder, b/c I am sitting here now eating leftover cold pizza, and it’s kinda greasy. Just wondering though! For big companies it sounds cool!
July 14, 2005 at 1:09 pm #126177Tigerblade
Participanti occasionally have files that i’d rather not have anyone else trying to putz with – budget spreadsheets, expense tracking, bank account balances, etc. sometimes it’s just easier to use a password that you dont have to try to remember in your head. instead of trying to figure out which password you used for that particular information, just use your fingerprint.
of course, if you’re the type to eat greasy food while using your computer, then maybe it’s not for you. personally i keep any and all food at least 3 feet from my computer, just to be safe.as for it being more secure, yes it is for the average person. as for extremely high security systems, we’ve all seen movies where biometrics get faked. whether or not that’s actually possible (i’m sure it is) or as simple as they make it seem, that’s up for debate.
personally i’d like to have one of these fingerprint id scanners. one more piece of gadgetry.
July 15, 2005 at 1:37 am #126183Aqeel
ParticipantI think more securities, more security holes, with the advancement of technology one started finger print password but what happens if anyone else make the copy of his finger prints and start using his finger print passwords (may be it would also be possible some day) then the orignal owner of finger print password must have to change his password, but how? so he change his finger prints?
July 15, 2005 at 1:57 pm #126181gossipingrae
MemberThat’s just the thing…you CAN’T make a copy of someone’s fingerprint. No two people in the world have the same fingerprint, that’s why it would be so hard to copy and get into other people’s private files.
July 15, 2005 at 3:41 pm #126175David
Participantgossipingrae wrote:That’s just the thing…you CAN’T make a copy of someone’s fingerprint. No two people in the world have the same fingerprint, that’s why it would be so hard to copy and get into other people’s private files.
Just because everyone has a unique fingerprint doesn’t mean there aren’t ways to make a copy of it, why would you think it’s not possible?July 15, 2005 at 6:12 pm #126178Red Devil
MemberI’m thinking that if its possible to read a fingerprint, then why wouldn’t it be possible to use that information to make a copy of a fingerprint… ok maybe not at this moment, but in the future possibly…
And technically, not everyones fingerprints are unique. For example, Identical twins have identical fingerprints… Ok, maybe i’m just being awkward with that but meh.
July 15, 2005 at 8:34 pm #126184Aqeel
ParticipantOrignally Posted by Red Devil I’m thinking that if its possible to read a fingerprint, then why wouldn’t it be possible to use that information to make a copy of a fingerprint… ok maybe not at this moment, but in the future possibly…
This is the thing which I want to say exactly, the idea of finger print passwords dosen’t touched my heart really. It will bring more complications then ever to security issues.
July 15, 2005 at 8:45 pm #126173Jeff Hester
Keymasteri don’t think it would be a question of copying the actual fingerprint. like most passwords these days, i’m guessing a stored hash of the fingerprint would be verified with a created hash (by putting your fingerprint on a reader). if someone could inject hashes into this fingerprint reader (and had the victims fingerprint hash) the person’s fingerprint would be pretty useless.
fingerprints are being used at the naperville library: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/333 Naperville library has hash verification to filter “bad things” from the internet for kids. kids are using their friends fingerprints to bypass the filters.
personally i don’t like all this fingerprint verification. fingerprint storage by free email providers would be really scary. most people that create free email address are using those remain slightly more anonymous. if a fingerprint were needed to signup it would allow people like the government (who would obviously keep hashes of criminals fingerprints) to find out how many criminals (or past criminals) signed up for free email. i can see the use for places like the secretary of state office where you have to provide two forms of identification… instead you could just bust out your thumb and bam! 😉 i don’t think i’d like to have private companies to have my fingerprint on file.
in some movies (because they are obvious the most realistic in depicting the future) they have some kind of “living” verification where biometric dealies like this check to see if the person who is trying to open/access a place is alive (like if someone killed you and tried to use your dead eye to unlock the safe that had millions of dollars… it wouldn’t work). it’s interesting to see how technology “evolves”.
July 15, 2005 at 9:49 pm #126174Jeff Hester
KeymasterFrankly, most security technologies create at least three new problems for every one problem they solve. Adding security adds cost — additional hardware, additional time, additional support, etc.
Digital rights management (DRM) is a prime example of this. In theory, it all works beautifully and both the consumer and the copyright owner are happy. Reality is never that simple. I am an Audible.com subscriber. I download audio books to my PC, transfer it to my iPAQ and play it through my car stereo using an FM transmitter. It’s a great way to “read” when you spend three hours on the road commuting.
But…
Audible protects the files I download so that only I can play them, and only on authorized devices that I have activated with them. While this is fine in theory, reality is problematic. Sometimes technology fails, and there are few things more frustrating then paying for something, getting that something, and not being able to use it! That happens far too frequently.
I know this is a bit of a tangent from fingerprint passwords, but the point is, technology (particularly for security) seldom makes things easier.
July 16, 2005 at 3:26 pm #126182gossipingrae
MemberActually, no, identical twins do NOT have the same fingerprints. NOBODY in the entire world has the same fingerprints, like i said.
Identical twins have SIMILAR traits, but not EVERYTHING is completely the same. What if one twin committed a crime, and the other twin did not, but the innocent twin was being charged because his fingerprint is the same as his brother/sister? I learned it in my bio class. 10th grade.
July 17, 2005 at 5:57 pm #126179Red Devil
MemberActually your right. I just checked. While identical twins are genetically identical, their fingerprints are very similar, but not exactly the same. I was getting confused with genetic fingerprinting… never mind… :p
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