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April 15, 2006 at 8:22 pm #22623Tea GrannyMember
Ok. Let’s start the discussion. I don’t really want to see hateful angry statements towards individuals. I am curious as to opinions on the issue surrounding what happened. Rockstar had created content in their SA game that they decided against using in the final release. It was cheaper or less time consuming to block access to that part of the game than to remove all the lines of code involved. On the final released version you either have to buy devices to input codes to access the “coffe” on the console versions of SA, or download a “mod” to access it on the pc version. The content was blocked and in no way accessable during any of the gameplay. So, here’s the question:
Did you think that game companies should be held accountable for content in their games that no one can legally access?
April 15, 2006 at 8:54 pm #142544MrEggsaladParticipantIf ESRB lets it go through with a rating of M, ESRB is then held accountable. Everyone knew of the content, Rockstar decided to just put a block (which heh..well is more like cheat code) up. ESRB should have gotten through that to find out “Oh, this should be more than M”. Rockstar is also kinda in trouble for being too lazy to take it out, but that shows they wanted it in there.
April 15, 2006 at 9:20 pm #142541TigerbladeParticipantit depends on how well it was protected or blocked. (not being much of a gamer, i dont know much about this particular issue – i remember hearing about it a while back though) if it was just casually blocked and relatively easy to hack into or gain access to, then yes they’re responsible. if it was heavily blocked with the intent that it would be damn near impossible to access, then no they shouldn’t be held responsible for it. it all has to depend on the degree of ease with which someone could access it.
besides… if the person has the skill and ability to crack the game to access this… they can probably handle the content they unlocked. again, take my comments with a grain of salt because i dont know the exact details.
April 16, 2006 at 6:23 am #142542AwesomeSauceParticipantHeh, I remember when this was a big issue… they find out there is hidden pornography in the game and *WHAM* Adults-Only rating. Target, Wal-Mart, and the other big retailers sweep it off the shelves. So apparantly, having rampages and killing people on the streets is OK, but a little bedroom hijinx is not?
Anyway, if the bad content is stored on the disc, put there by the developer, then yeah, it should probably affect the rating. It’s not like it’s THAT hard to access, yeah, it would obviously take quite a bit of programming knowledge to create a hack, but it doesn’t take much knowledge to download a crack and just install it.
April 16, 2006 at 6:36 pm #142545Tea GrannyMemberEveryone did not know the content. One rather intellegent sort found it then decided to share. Only someone who knows how to program games could unlock it on a pc. No console is sold with those cheating devices attached. If you attach one, you void your warranty.
Removing part of game’s program isn’t as simple as deleting is for us. Look how many codes you had to download just to unlock it!
Just because breaking the law is easy doesn’t mean you should do it.
You do realize they only changed the rating from M(17) to AO(18). That’s one year difference. Honestly, is there a 17 year old left on the planet that doesn’t know all of the locked content in the game?
April 20, 2006 at 5:01 am #142538EEDOKMemberin order to unlock it you have to break the EULA, they should be punishing the EULA breakers not the creators of the content. Plus in order to unlock it you have to be willing to get it, you can’t accidently unlock it. It’s no different than applying a nude patch to a game. Although it’s not a thing I”m 100% a fan of, it’s restrictive to the mod community and the mod community shouldn’t be restricted like that.
April 20, 2006 at 2:13 pm #142546Tea GrannyMemberEEDOK wrote:Although it’s not a thing I”m 100% a fan of, it’s restrictive to the mod community and the mod community shouldn’t be restricted like that.I was beginning to think I was alone in my opinion on EULA breakers! However, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what you meant in your statements on the mod community. My appologies for misunderstanding, but are you for or against the mod community?
April 20, 2006 at 4:54 pm #142539EEDOKMemberFor both Rockstar and the mod community, Rockstar shouldn’t have been held accountable for the Mod as it breaks the EULA, and this whole thing shouldn’t have happened so the mod community wouldn’t have to restrain itself.
Quite an odd position 😛April 20, 2006 at 11:22 pm #142543AwesomeSauceParticipantEEDOK wrote:It’s no different than applying a nude patch to a game.Maybe. When you apply the hot coffee patch to GTA: SA, you are unlocking sexual/pornographic content that is stored on the disc. I think I’ve heard someone say that there is a patch for the Sims (or any other game) that can make the characters naked, but the rating won’t be changed and the creators won’t get in trouble because the patch adds the bad content onto the game. It is not on the game disc to begin with.
I’ll agree that whoever breaks the EULA should be busted instead, especially in the case I mentioned above.
April 21, 2006 at 12:27 am #142547Tea GrannyMemberIt shouldn’t have mattered what the locked content was about. The simple fact is – you have to break the law to get at it, and only persons playing this game on a pc could do that with ease. Every single person that used the patch to unlock the content was breaking the law (as if that would be enforced).
April 21, 2006 at 4:25 am #142540EEDOKMemberAwesomeSauce wrote:Maybe. When you apply the hot coffee patch to GTA: SA, you are unlocking sexual/pornographic content that is stored on the disc. I think I’ve heard someone say that there is a patch for the Sims (or any other game) that can make the characters naked, but the rating won’t be changed and the creators won’t get in trouble because the patch adds the bad content onto the game. It is not on the game disc to begin with.I’ll agree that whoever breaks the EULA should be busted instead, especially in the case I mentioned above.
the thing is though, you can’t get at the content without willfully going after it, you can’t accidently stumble upon it. The ESRB should only rate what you can play without modification, not what you can unlock by meddling with the resources. -
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