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November 3, 2004 at 1:09 am #14507
RabidKitten
ParticipantI had a strange kick in the head today, and a weird notion. We have a great number of non american peoples in BBB, and I know a few of them have the sentiment of “Bring our troops home”. But, technically, I know that since they aren’t American, it isn’t technically correct.
Yet, in my point of view, American, French, Pakistani, Kenyon, whatever, we’re still all members of the human race, and that includes every soldier over there as well, so really, they -are- all of our troops.
So here’s my question:
Do you feel that even if they do not live in America, they should be able to express such a sentiment?November 3, 2004 at 2:28 am #103727detn8r
ParticipantUnless Americans are being conceited, this statement of “our troops” is a global thing – and I follow Eminem’s words of “Stomp, push up, mush, **** Bush until they bring our troops home.” as a nation wide statement.
Any voting “No” I would like an explanation as to why you feel such.
November 3, 2004 at 2:51 am #103731Hurricane22491
MemberYeah, any country with troops out in a war has the right to say that. I don’t know how someone could say no.
November 3, 2004 at 3:43 am #103724Jeff Hester
KeymasterEminem has a right to say “our troops” because his country has troops over there. I think if your country has troops over there, you have a right to say “bring our troops home.” If not, you have a right to say “bring YOUR troops home.”
And I also think this is a silly argument. 😉
November 3, 2004 at 3:56 am #103730RabidKitten
ParticipantYeah it is, but a situation in which one person was yelled at for saying it got me thinking about it.
I just see it as a more global thing. They could mean anything by “our”…North American Troops, What if they had family down there and they had them sent over…I don’t know, I suppose it’s just because I really don’t see the point of strict country lines…I mean, the US is tied so tightly to so many countries that in some way the only way we’re different is by those drawn maps on a line. And whatever happened to “We’re all on this one big blue ball together” Stuff? Suddenly there are lines drawn about in division…beats me…just because troops are being sent over from one country and not another (not counting the vollenteers) doesn’t mean that they can’t be sympathetic to the point of saying “our”…but that’s just my view on it all.
November 3, 2004 at 4:27 am #103725Jeff Hester
KeymasterYou could make that argument, but it’s pretty flimsy. Seriously, Canada can’t say bring “our” troops back. Spain could (and did!).
You could say that “we” (the global community) should support peace in the region. You could say that the global community should exert influence over countries that act unilaterally. But you really can’t say bring “our” troops home when they aren’t “your troops.”
Granted, if someone had a family member serving in the armed forces for another country and they were in Iraq, you could say “bring MY family member home,” but the troops still aren’t “yours” to command.
Here are the countries that can rightfully say “bring our troops home:”
November 3, 2004 at 4:44 am #103729Tigerblade
Participanti dont mean to demean any countries that have or havent sent troops to contribute to the “war against terror”, but if you’re going to send troops, why send 10? unless those numbers are in the thousands, and I dont think they are since I dont see any clarifying fine print. obviously they care about it enough to send troops at all, but why bother with only 10?
November 3, 2004 at 4:59 am #103726Jeff Hester
KeymasterI think that means they really don’t support the war, but that they are willing to whore out their meager army to win the favor of the United States. The U.S. gets to say that “there is an alliance of 32 countries” in Iraq. Of course, in reality, there are very few countries with more than a token presence.
The numbers tell a different story, as you noted, but even more important is what is implied by the absence of so many major world powers.
November 3, 2004 at 6:43 am #103728DJHyperbyte
MemberActually, keep in mind that the USA is a much larger country than Great Britain. According to Google Great Britain has a population of about 60 million people, where the USA has 260 million. If you relate those numbers to eachother, you get these figures:
USA:
– 126500
Great Britain:
– 36000
Italy:
– 15000
Netherlands:
– 21500Doesn’t look so bad now, does it? Of course these are totally wrong statistics, since they are based on the population of a country and not on the size of a country’s national army, but still, I hope they give you a better idea of the amounts of troops sent.
Also, you know nothing about those 10 troops, so speculating about them is just wrong. For all you know, they could be highly trained commandos. 🙂
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