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October 16, 2003 at 5:30 pm #63027
deadworm
Memberunfortunately caine is correct – best thing to do is unplug the cam when not in use – I’m not gonna go into all details and try to prove my point – if you wanna take it for what it is, fine, if you wanna believe yahoo and users are impenetrable, fine – that’s all up to you. Majority of all users claim this and that – only a small percent know what they are doing – everybody wants proof if this and that, why would you need to know? – I hope her friend has had this matter taken care of.
October 16, 2003 at 6:28 pm #63012DJHyperbyte
MemberOf course you can view a webcam without someone knowing – but not via Yahoo Messenger AFAIK. You will need to sneak a trojan onto the remote computer somehow and then view the webcam using the trojan. This subject is about internet security, not about Yahoo Messenger.
October 17, 2003 at 6:07 am #63008Jeff Hester
KeymasterI’ve locked Caine’s account for verbal diarhea. He hasn’t been back since the day he first joined anyway. I still think his mysterious software that he spoke of is vaporware.
October 20, 2003 at 7:05 pm #63011gaz_berotten
MemberHey maybe they should sell webcam covers so you just pop it over the cams lense when you dont use it and then if anyone trys to view it all they get is a blank square. Ahahah
October 25, 2003 at 5:06 am #63033ahockeyjock
ParticipantI had a friend do this to me. There are a few things they can actually do to get access to your cam without you knowing, BUT, NOT how most people are thinking. He’s one of those hacker types and played a joke on me. He took a picture of my dorm while i was out away from my computer… turned yahoo on and had my status as ‘dumba$$’… and made my desktop picture the picture of my room that he took with my cam while i was away.
He said there are three ways to do it:
1. A few programs allow “Anonymous” webcam requests, it is KNOWN to the user when they have a webcam on and you request, but it just doesnt show your id. THEY DO KNOW YOU ARE REQUESTING THOUGH, he said there is NO WAY TO FAKE THIS also.
2. In the yahoo options they can somehow change your preferences file to make it so that their id is an authorized user. An authorized user can request your cam w/o you knowing but you WILL SEE ANOTHER VIEWER on the webcam ‘___ people are watching you” thing.
3. They can do a script kid program, there’s like hundreds of them. All are basically the same, once they get on your puter they have almost unlimited control… they disable virus scanners, capture keystrokes (your yahoo password and change your options), they can run programs when you are away from your computer and control your screen as if it was theirs (i saw him hit my start button, run yahoo, then sign on and start sending a message to myself).
They can also view your webcam, turn it on if its off (a light is on most cams telling you they are on, but it has nothing to do with yahoo)
Now… by far the most dangerous is the 3rd one. With a program like that on your computer they can actually see your friend on the webcam without him/her knowing, can take snapshots and download them onto their own computer, steal passwords, log conversations, do just about anything as if they were sitting next to your friend.
The best way to fix it is to unplug your internet connection, change your yahoo password, scan with an online virus scanner like housecall from trendmicro, and goto msconfig and disable any programs that are not normal to what they run.
J
October 25, 2003 at 8:57 pm #63030restless311
MemberWhat the hell. Norton Antivirus stop it because a trojan. “housecall from trendmicro”. While I was scanning with Trendmicro, Norton popped up saying this:
Source: C:Documents and SettingsAdministratorApplication DataSunJavaDeploymentcachejavapiv1.0fileDummy.class-7413fbf8-45cc95e1.class
I clicked ok then it popped up again saying access denied. I clicked ok then it shut down the Trendmicro scan and closed the page.
This is the wrong place to be talking about this but since ahockeyjock brought it up…
October 25, 2003 at 10:00 pm #63010FrutZle
MemberQuote:quote:Originally posted by gaz_berottenHey maybe they should sell webcam covers so you just pop it over the cams lense when you dont use it and then if anyone trys to view it all they get is a blank square. Ahahah
Logitech does supply a (semi-transparent) lens cover with most, if not all of their webcams. I’m pretty sure there are other manufacturers who do the same.
As ahockeyjock said, there’s a light on many webcams that’ll tell you the cam is in use. If you don’t have the cam somewhere where you can always see the light, or if your cam doesn’t have a light like that, and if you’re afraid someone might want to mess with your computer and cam, then just unplug the cam. Most are USB cams and thereby don’t require you to turn off your computer before you unplug the webcam (nor when you plug it back in).
If the USB port is on the back of your computer and not easy to reach, you might want to consider buying a short USB extention cable so you can unplug the cam by pulling the cam’s cable out of the extention cable.November 8, 2003 at 6:13 pm #63034sajka
Memberbut i found a site which will tell you how to tell if someone is really offline or invisible.. it’s http://yahoo-invisible.ikitek.com
it works for me!November 10, 2003 at 3:40 am #63038mrniceguy
MemberOf course its possible, just cause you “know it alls” dont see the program or have heard of it doesnt mean they dont exist, now im no computer genius but what is to stop say a expert hacker or such making such a program???????? nothing of course and naturally such a prog would be highly illegal so they are not going to advertise it maybe only give it to thier tightest hacker buddies, you ppl cant be so niave to think that nothing sinister goes on on the internet the best way to protect yourself is with a top anitvirus progam and a top firewall program, i think you brainiacs ought to realise just cause you dont know a prog exists doesnt mean some one cant privately create one.
😀November 10, 2003 at 3:54 am #63037mrniceguy
Membercome to think of it, there is one really easy way someone can view a cam with out permission or with out them knowing, ever heard or a MIRROR
example:
a girl meets a guy on yahoo and after a while decides she can trust him, then decides to let him and only him view her cam (or so she thinks) then he goes and mirrors her cam to his friends, without her knowing and without her permission, then those friends go and mirror etc etc
letting unlimited amount of ppl view her with her knowledge or permissionso simple huh
November 10, 2003 at 4:27 am #63023Lurking_Biohazard
MemberQuote:quote:Originally posted by mrniceguycome to think of it, there is one really easy way someone can view a cam with out permission or with out them knowing, ever heard or a MIRROR
example:
a girl meets a guy on yahoo and after a while decides she can trust him, then decides to let him and only him view her cam (or so she thinks) then he goes and mirrors her cam to his friends, without her knowing and without her permission, then those friends go and mirror etc etc
letting unlimited amount of ppl view her with her knowledge or permissionso simple huh
Try again. She still gave permission to view. Big deal. There are also programs to record when you view. In your little story nothing special was done. Permission was given at some point, plain and simple.
November 10, 2003 at 2:50 pm #63036mrniceguy
Memberyes you are quite correct, CONGRATULATIONS, but the permission was given to ONE thats 1 person, so if some other jerk started harrassing her and showed her pics of her on cam, of course the girl would get very worried and scared considering she wouldnt of known what was going on, she wouldnt of thought that more that one person was watching her considering she only let one person in her cam, as you said “nothing special was done” your right but it didnt need to be, its not hard to find some moron mirroring some unsuspecting girl,
my example was just one way a person can view someone on cam without permission and without knowing about it just because its simple and “nothing special” doesnt mean its not relevant
November 10, 2003 at 7:16 pm #63022Lurking_Biohazard
MemberBut my point still stands. At some point permission was given to someone! This is not the same as directly viewing someone’s cam without them authorizing it or even knowing. I understand what you are saying and I agree. But the question was about viewing without permission or knowledge, not “what can someone do once I let them view?”.
Quote:quote:Originally posted by mrniceguyOf course its possible, just cause you “know it alls” dont see the program or have heard of it doesnt mean they dont exist, now im no computer genius but what is to stop say a expert hacker or such making such a program????????
You have joined this forum, so that adds you to the list of “know it alls”. I for one am not saying it is impossible. I only say that there is no easily available programs at this time. Which brings us to…
Quote:quote:nothing of course and naturally such a prog would be highly illegal so they are not going to advertise it maybe only give it to thier tightest hacker buddies, you ppl cant be so niave to think that nothing sinister goes on on the internet the best way to protect yourself is with a top anitvirus progam and a top firewall program, i think you brainiacs ought to realise just cause you dont know a prog exists doesnt mean some one cant privately create one.Try doing a search for “warez”, “booters”, “trojans”, or “virii”(viruses). Or a number of other things. I guess these aren’t illegal, because someone made them, and someone advertised it. You don’t think someone would brag at some point? And if “we” think “nothing sinister goes on on the internet”, then why do “we” suggest AV programs and firewalls?
Common sence comes into play, also. If you have let “only one” person view, then suddenly the whole world knows, cut that person off! I would bet it would stop, wouldn’t you? And if it didn’t, then start looking for another reason.
November 25, 2003 at 3:04 am #63039mrniceguy
Memberwell ppl there is a progam out there that can give anyone access to yahoo cams with out permisson at all and without the persons knowledge, the progam is called
sneak_a_peek2.0
and costs $19.99 to purchase from the authors website
theres your answer mr know it all
November 25, 2003 at 12:46 pm #63015Oreo
MemberThis is all well and good that you both are arguing the fine points of completely humiliating another person, whether or not she “deserves” it or not, it’s still W-R-O-N-G! Thought I’d spell it out since maybe you didn’t know that word. Did you ever stop to think that maybe instead of arguing ways that it could be done you might argue ways that it could be stopped, or that little girls could be WARNED of this? I mean, imagine if the female in question was your 12-year-old sister who was fooled by some pedofile? Why is it that people like to argue about making a problem worse rather than solving it?
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