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January 16, 2003 at 8:29 pm #7531
thatsasif
MemberYstyle 4.0 Preview edition.
Dont know where to start and end.
Just play with this preview edition edition till it is finally released with more features.
Its better than the best.Ystyle is used for creating designs with dingbats fonts like wingdings and webdings.
Design is created in rtf format.
Features:
Open/Save design for future use.
A Design viewer through which you can browse all the designs and send them directly to Yahoo IM without any copy pasteGet it at http://www.atrangi.com
Still more to be updated till than enjoy with this version.
January 17, 2003 at 3:56 am #65046Jeff Hester
Keymasterthatsasif, I received a tip that your program is a rip-off of YEmote. Care to comment?
January 17, 2003 at 5:06 am #65051macroheadwithamicrobrain
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nutty…nutty…nutty
January 17, 2003 at 5:51 am #65048snugleupagainst
MemberWell his is for text right and yemote is the smileys not the same thing. At least the Yemote i have.
January 17, 2003 at 6:56 am #65045Jeff Hester
KeymasterI dunno. Maybe Andy can clear the air?
January 17, 2003 at 9:20 am #65054thatsasif
MemberI dont no why that andy seems that i am stealing his prog. Although YStyle is totally different than his YEmote.
January 18, 2003 at 3:32 pm #65056kapot
Memberyupe, I dont think YStyle is the same with YEmote. It’s totally different. And, if another programmer created the same like YEmote, I dont think it’s a rip-off … I saw a lot of, for example, CD Burner application … as long as the programmer code it by him/her self, that should be ok. Same idea, but different implementation.
and for thatsasif, according to this website -> http://www.freddys-utilities.co.uk/wingdings.php
There are 3 wingdings π I found only 1 in YStyle version 3.0January 18, 2003 at 6:05 pm #65044Jeff Hester
KeymasterThere are a couple issues in question. Apparently Asif blatantly stole the code for inserting smileys (just a part of YStyle, and added RTF storage of dings the day after Andy introduced it in YEmote!
Yes, they are different programs, but to simply “borrow” the ideas of another without credit or acknowledgement is bad form.
January 18, 2003 at 6:23 pm #65050macroheadwithamicrobrain
MemberLet me try to explain π
In the Tools menu on Asif’s YStyle there is a menu Smileys and Codes. It’s under construction.
But in the previous version of YStyle, Asif had put Andy’s codes to his YStyle π
It’s good to see Asif has removed them from YStyle :), but what Andy and the ppl of WackyB dont like YStyle (and Asif), because Asif never say sorry[/b] to Andy π
January 18, 2003 at 6:41 pm #65047rustedtight
MemberYr explanation is still only third party, why are the players so silent or evasive in replies?
Why are kapot’s only posts here related to this subject?
January 18, 2003 at 6:53 pm #65053thatsasif
MemberThere are 3 wingdings π I found only 1 in YStyle version 3.0
Thanks kapotI will put all the dingbat fonts that come with Windows.I was not aware of 2 and 3.
Hey macroheadwithamicrobrain
there is no need to say sorry bcoz i had given him credits on my site rather than to upload the same software again.
But he wanted it in the software.I also agreed to put it in next version.
And i wanted some help from andy for how he sends the Ascii art from Yemote. but he dint gave me proper replys and tried to fool me by giving link on his site again and again.
So i removed his page from my soft and would never ask him for help again.
I dont know why Wakyb admins are supporting him more rather than to support every member.
And its none of their business to look after who is stealing what.
Neither in theirs terms was described about this.Any way enjoy with YStyle till i release next version.
January 19, 2003 at 8:33 am #65055kapot
MemberSo what’s your problem with my post?
I am new here, I am NOT visiting this site EVERY DAY. I registered to this site because I was interested with YStyle, and I got problem installing it.
Then later, I found a topic YStyle 4.0 ! So I posted my comment.
If you dont like my post then ignore me π hehehehe
Basically I like to use third party application / add on for Yahoo, specially for dings.
And I use YStylelite π
I would like to consider for using YEmote 4.0, but it’s still beta according the website.
And again, I like dings ONLY … YEmote is too big πSee? not everyone like YEmote
Go asif! Go !
kapot
Quote:quote:Originally posted by rustedtightYr explanation is still only third party, why are the players so silent or evasive in replies?
Why are kapot’s only posts here related to this subject?
January 19, 2003 at 3:00 pm #65049macroheadwithamicrobrain
MemberQuote:quote:Originally posted by kapot
… I like dings ONLY … YEmote is too big πHave you tried charmap.exe? :p
January 19, 2003 at 3:22 pm #65057andy_w2s
ParticipantI was directed to this thread from Jeff incase I wished to comment. I’ll forward some previous comments below:
The purpose of my development is filing a gap that no other products do. I’m not a big corporation fighting for a market share or profits.
I had no problem with YStyle It was a new interesting utility that provided a means of doing something that is otherwise time consuming. My initial grief was simply with the inclusion of my code uncredited which was perfectly valid. If you spend time developing an idea and then see it somewhere else passed off as someone else’s work it’s not on!. He could have simply asked permission or left the copyright notices (about the only thing he removed) etc. But I was not too bothered as he openly admitted the source origin on WackyB forum, I dropped it at that!.
YStyle was for generating the html codes for dings that you would then paste in the message window. I released YEmote4 which stores dings in RTF files and sends them direct to the window from a library (http://andy.w2s.co.uk/yahoo/YEmote4/) I also made the offer of working together (along with some suggestions, Eg. to make a ding editor for YEmote’s files). Soon after he posted a message saying he will change the way his YStyle works to combine the features of YEmote followed shortly with a release of YStyle that had ding library and sent direct to the window and yes stored the dings in RTF files
at the same time I sent this message to him on the WackyB forum:
Quote:quote:It was not quite my intentions to suggest you simply copy my ideas the day after I release YEmote. Rather than to suggest we combine our resources to avoid overlap. I don’t like spending my time on developing programs simply to find them copied either from source code or ideas, I spend some time researching before starting any utilities to ensure anything similar does not already exist. YStyle look like a useful utility, I sent a message to you suggesting a perfect companion to YEmote would be a editor for the dings using your YStyle? but instead you have simply taken my ideas and changed YStyle… I don’t want to continue developing YEmote just to discover it elsewhere on the web soon after, It’s a waste of my time and persons who duplicates them. I was also expecting my copyright notice to be reinstated to the smileys selector you copied along with credit on the page from your latest release? If you still want to develop a ding editor for YEmotes ding library than that’s fine, I would even be happy to link from/distribute with YEmote. For the reasons stated above I wont be adding a ding editor to YEmote.and privately E-mail:
Quote:quote:I think is it the right thing to leave credit and copyright information in anything you use for ideas or code. I don’t get any money from YEmote so credit for my work is the only payment I get. What I was hoping was to share the work for developing yahoo utilities, there are a lot of ideas but I have limited time to develop them. You had a ding editor that if improved would be a great companion to YEmote but instead your release appeared to compete with YEmote by using the idea of sending the text directly? I don’t want to compete as real work keeps me busy enough. Developing a really good Ding editor that could be distributed and integrated with YEmote would take some of the work load off me. some of the other things I would be willing to share is the archive message viewer(with searching etc..) I’m working on.Taking a brief look at his site his ‘new’ text effects look similar and expect a ASCII art library from him soon :
http://www.wackyb.com/zzub/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=249
The advice given to him was a link to my site detailing how I convert ASCII art to display correctly in Yahoo. I’m not sure what more help I can give him!? again if you want to paste ASCII art I now have two utilities developed for this purpose π
The comparison with multiple companies developing cd writing software is not really valid, Here is an established platform where multiple organizations work together, the software is written independently to strict published specification. Copyright and patents exist to protect intellectual property and ideas. Ask yourself; If I had not written YEmote would YStle exist in its present form!? I have little to lose from others making clones as I made YEmote available for FREE! but what is lost is my willingness to devote my time/energy into developing programs. He has the necessary skills to program, why not use them with a little more originality?
Summery? Ok my first issue was very valid as the source code was taken directly. The other ones? that’s personal opinion, I was just a little disappointed as I would liked to have worked with him not against. To be honest I’ve moved on and have better things to do with my time..
I have no problems whatsoever with YStyle, its creators or contentAs for the WackyB forums, I have been using the forum for almost a year and many members have seen/contributed and generally helped in other ways to the development of the utilities. Finally I like to leave my programs in beta until certain it works for most people most of the time. So far I have received 3 possible conflicts with some users setup. The file size for YEmote3 is only 203k, the additional download size contains support files to help ensure compatibility for the majority of users.
I haven’t got time to follow this thread further, if you really must comment you are welcome to E-mail me and I’ll replay asap.
http://www.iboost.com/build/design/articles/navigating/918.htm
http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2001/0730buzz.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=imitation+flatteryJanuary 19, 2003 at 6:58 pm #65052thatsasif
MemberThere is no such decompiler that decompiles Visual basic programs.
Today Andy tells that i am copying his ideas.
Tommorow he will tell that Bigblueball admins r copying ideas from wackyb. As both r concerned with Messaging System forums etc.
Neither any one has seen YStyle 1.0 bcoz i never posted it in forums.Nor any one might have used it. I gave only to some of my friends.
I had even told andy this stuff.YStyle 1.0 was the same as the latest release i.e (ystyle4).
As it was for Yahoo 4.0 and Yahoo 4.0 was totally different that this 5.0.
So i had to change the ideas every time Yahoo brings up its new version.If getting ideas from someone else programs and implementing it in our own programs for better performance is stealing. Than i say that i have stolen andys ideas.
But Not the sourcecode of his program. And for that i also had to work hard.Andy says that “It’s a waste of my time and persons who duplicates them.”
For me its no waste of time. Bcoz not all ppls might like Yemote.
Some might be there who will like YStyle. And i will continue my work them.
Andy may continue his work for the ones who like Yemote.
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