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Rabidkitten and Detn8r
I agree with your point of view that messaginf people when they are invisible and telling them that they should talk to you,following them around etc are an invasion of privacy. But what is you installed a lock on your main door and some one came and told you it is possible to open the door without a key and they gave you the tools wouldnt you be better prepared or you may even change the lock and may be if yahoo sees enough status checkers out there they will change a few things with yahoo messenger.
The problem here is that Buddy spy does not do any thing out of the way or special as already stated you can do all that with yahoo already.*blank stare* Alright, once more, did you not read what I’ve been saying, n3? But I have to thank you for proving my point. You’re speaking about people using this in a horrid, mean spirited fashion in order to kill/stalk/rape/abuse people, mostly women. But then again, you yourself are a user of this program right? Do you go about doing such things? I know that surely if I used this program I wouldn’t. So then again we come to a point of it being the responsibility of the person using the program in the end.
There’s a mistake in yahoo, someone takes advantage of it and makes a program to exploit that mistake. Happens every day, no big deal most of the time, but what happens then. It exists, what’s done is done, time to move forward, who does the outcome fall upon? The -users-. It’s the age old problem of a large company having a problem, people exploiting it and so on, but the company will not change or take care of it lickety split. It’s been going on for years, and in the end, until it is solved, as long as the problem is there, the responsibility falls upon the exploiters.
The world isn’t perfect, large working groups don’t always do what they need to right away or at all but until then it’s up to the masses to group together and act responsibly. Of course, like I said, the world isn’t perfect and there’s always those people who act out heinously. You’re acting as if every user of Buddy Spy is one of these malicious people, which leads me once more to say “what kind of person are you then”?
If you ask me, it sounds as if you’re just trying to pass on the blame…but thank you for proving my point.
Edit: Specified who I was talking to
Actually RabidKitten
For you kind information I do not use the program and no I do not sit and check if people are invisible or not, if they are invisible and wanna talk I am sure they will send me a message or if they want me to view their web cam I am sure they will send me an invite. My world is not going to end if some one does not talk to me on YAHOO.
My point here is Buddy spy does not make use of some unknown exploit it uses FEATURES provided by Yahoo. If you have not noticed there is a follow user in the options and there is a view web cam also.Yes, there are a few features included, such as the web cam and the like, but the use of checking to see if someone is invisible is not something that yahoo features, unless I’m sadly mistaken. I was under the impression that the point of being invisible was to seem as if you’re offline, and I was further under the impression that yahoo did not have a feature naturally that allowed people to counter that and see invisible people, like buddy spy does.
I don’t use yahoo itself, I go through trillian personally.
Please someone correct me if I’m mistaken, does yahoo provide a feature, naturally, that allows users to see people who are invisible.
If it does, then I find that surprising. If it does not, then it is a loophole and an exploitation.
There is also a feature to restrict the user from viewing it. Yahoo! Messenger removed the feature to follow another after version 6 was released. Why? Who knows… maybe enough people complained about it.
When creating a profile, you are asked if you want your online status shown. If you choose no, and someone uses a program like Buddy Spy, or Online Status Indicator to view your online status, it is called harassment. What business do you have viewing someone’s online status? What right do you have? That Yahoo has allowed this ‘exploit’ and possible malicious program available to assholes to stalk people? I don’t think so.
Think of it this way: because Yahoo has allowed malicious code for booters to use in the Messenger doesn’t give someone the right to advertise it, and allow others to use it. Why should this be any different?
What if Yahoo was to patch this, the way MSN Messenger did with its protocol changes? Would it change the programmers thinking of “hey wait.. maybe this was a bad idea?” Or would it encourage the programmer to find a work around, and reprogram it?My opinion is that this program should not be advertised anywhere, specifically on BigBlueBall for the reasons outlined above.
My question to those who answered ‘yes’: What gives you the right to invade someone’s privacy for your nosey likings?
Good or Bad is not an issue. I look at it as the Art of Programming and the real value is in the level of perfection the Author did the job.
aneagle, you are missing the whole concept here. The issue IS whether it is good or bad. Unsakred is an excellent programmer. He has proven that in past apps he created. The fact this time is the controversial program as of late.
Stay on topic and give your opinion about what is being asked, or please do not post.I’ll play the devil’s advocate for a moment…
Neither MSN Messenger nor AIM allow you to be “invisible” while chatting. If you are chatting with someone else, your online status is known. In that sense, Yahoo! Messenger is unique… it let’s you lie about your true status by being “invisible.”
Is it ethical to lie about being online?
wel its not software is the big deal as long as the software is worthy and it helps those people who wanna use it then it’s good but if the person who used this stuff would try to attemp or do some bad stuff to the peeps who he spy with then he is the bad one not the software…
Quote:quote:Originally posted by JeffI’ll play the devil’s advocate for a moment…
Neither MSN Messenger nor AIM allow you to be “invisible” while chatting. If you are chatting with someone else, your online status is known. In that sense, Yahoo! Messenger is unique… it let’s you lie about your true status by being “invisible.”
Is it ethical to lie about being online?
MSN Messenger allows you to “block user” while showing online to others. This is exactly the same concept as invisible or stealth mode on Yahoo! Messenger.
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And, yes it is ethical. People have different work groups on a messenger list. You have for example friends and family, then you have co-workers. Now while at work, you may only wish to show online to co-works, so you can discuss work related matters between office on large building complexes, where it isn’t possible to walk or phone every two minutes. Whereas while you are at work, you haven’t got time for friends and family, and vice versa when you get home, you wouldn’t want co-workers to be able to contact you at home, but you would for friends and family, and thats the basis on which Yahoo! Messenger invisible and stealth mode works and the concept behind it. Although you can set up different buddy groups for other reasons, although the main Yahoo! thinking is co-wrokers and friends and family.
n3td3vEDIT: Added from successive post of other successive posts. USE EDIT PLEASE, thank you.
Quote:quote: Originally posted by detn8r
My question to those who answered ‘yes’: What gives you the right to invade someone’s privacy for your nosey likings?Yeah for logical people you can ask that, but the people who would use this program to stalk or harass are hardly going to give you the time of day as they are not thinking logically, or they wouldn’t be stalking a female on messenger in the first place.
n3td3vQuote:quote:Originally posted by n3td3vQuote:quote:Originally posted by detn8rMy question to those who answered ‘yes’: What gives you the right to invade someone’s privacy for your nosey likings?
Yeah for logical people you can ask that, but the people who would use this program to stalk or harass are hardly going to give you the time of day as they are not thinking logically, or they wouldn’t be stalking a female on messenger in the first place.
OK, and why should BBB publicize a program that does so? It’s already been said that there are two reasons for this app; one being to be nosey and invade someone’s privacy, and two to harass possible ‘vulnerable females.’
Booting programs are not allowed to be shared, hacking attempts and questions are not allowed to be shared.. nor should this.Well, all and all, Its good if u wanna figure out where your buddys are at, but at the same time, people can use this to “stalk” a person on yahoo. Even thou u can see if there online or not, being that u can get info on where they are and stuff, it could be a problem. But I like this program. Just hope yahoo dont put a block on it too, that would suck.
Not saying that I would stalk anyone on yahoo.
I have had problems with stalkers of varying degrees of creepiness since I was just a smallish girl. Though I focused on my intellect, God blessed me with a package deal. So I have been followed on the highway, slunk after in malls, and gawked at in all sorts of situations. I had a man in India get all my personal information. It was scary, but all in all, not a total horror. I use my webcam often, but keep it set to friends only and I don’t show more than my face. ANYHOW ~ although it will allow more creepy guys to mind my business instead of their own I am not offended by unsakred’s program. I think he is quite talented. I also think that by informing all of us who use BBB of his progress we can at least know HOW Mr’Creepy knows when I’m invisible. And I do agree that everything the program does IS available through much clicking and maneuvering through Messenger itself, so I am not giving myself an aneurysm over the ethics of it. The internet is still a new frontier and for the most part, lawless. I wish I had the capacity to do what unsakred and so many others can do ~ and I am thankful that he has been so straightforward about his doings.
Also ~ if you are going to do things and visit rooms that youd rather not be seen doing – Buddy Spy requires that you have the ID of the person you want to check up on. SO if you don’t want to be seen , simply create a separate screen name for your dirty doings and DONT share it with anyone.I keep hearing that BuddySpy can only be used to check up on people who are hiding from somone or to “stalk” people who are purposely avoiding another person. Which makes me wonder… Is there any good use for BuddySpy?
Please, don’t regurgitate all the arguments against BuddySpy. I want to hear from the supporters how BuddySpy could be used for good purposes.
Um.. because the guy running into the store left his car running means that I have all rights to steal it because I am able to? Get real. Creating this program to give Yahoo a wake up call is useless. Yahoo still hasn’t corrected booting issues, and now they have to deal with another stupid issue.
There is NO good in this project. None at all. I don’t even understand why this is being debated.
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