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June 10, 2005 at 3:34 pm #18656chikenkickerMember
i saw something about theory’s in the UFO topic and i wanted to know peoples views on the matter as its always such a big subject with science and usually in alot of the off topic threads lately.
i believe in the creation of the world, i dont believe in the big bang theory, i dont believe in evoloution, i believe that God created the universe and everything in it, including human beings and animals
June 10, 2005 at 3:57 pm #123889NessaParticipantI believe the complete opposite from that…I believe in the Big Bang theory and that from that bang when all galaxies, stars, and planets were created, Earth (and planets in other galaxies that we don’t know of yet) was the only stable one enough to produce life. So i definately believe in evolution. Starting off from the smallest bacteria or whatever it was that came first, i think things slowly came off from that. It definately explains the similarities between monkeys and humans. Just like you have all the cat groups, from little kittens to tigers and leopards and so on. I believe we all evolve to adapt to our surroundings. Even animals whom evolve into having camouflage to survive from predators. I just don’t honestly believe that “God” simply appeared one day and said, “As of today we shall have life,” and created people. As part of the Big Bang theory, i also believe that it has happened more than once. I believe that it recurs every million or billions of years. so we have what is known as the Big Crunch, in which everything contracts and everything is gone. Just how the Big Bang started it all, the Big Crunch ends it. We have no written notion of this simply because everything gets destroyed and i think everything restarts again from scratch and who knows maybe each time same changes occur or maybe less or maybe more. These are just basic concepts that come to mind, I may be totally off, but it’s what i see it as being.
June 10, 2005 at 4:01 pm #123887chikenkickerMemberhatedjealousy wrote:I believe the complete opposite from that…I believe in the Big Bang theory and that from that bang when all galaxies, stars, and planets were created, Earth (and planets in other galaxies that we don’t know of yet) was the only stable one enough to produce life. So i definately believe in evolution. Starting off from the smallest bacteria or whatever it was that came first, i think things slowly came off from that. It definately explains the similarities between monkeys and humans. Just like you have all the cat groups, from little kittens to tigers and leopards and so on. I believe we all evolve to adapt to our surroundings. Even animals whom evolve into having camouflage to survive from predators. I just don’t honestly believe that “God” simply appeared one day and said, “As of today we shall have life,” and created people. As part of the Big Bang theory, i also believe that it has happened more than once. I believe that it recurs every million or billions of years. so we have what is known as the Big Crunch, in which everything contracts and everything is gone. Just how the Big Bang started it all, the Big Crunch ends it. We have no written notion of this simply because everything gets destroyed and i think everything restarts again from scratch and who knows maybe each time same changes occur or maybe less or maybe more. These are just basic concepts that come to mind, I may be totally off, but it’s what i see it as being.question you said yourself we evolved from the smallest bacteria,lets see if i can get the order of evoloution straight, micro-oranism>fish>reptiles>birds>primates>humans, now if it happened in that order, how do we still have fish, birds, reptiles and primates? if we evolved from then wouldnt they no longer exist?
June 10, 2005 at 4:09 pm #123890NessaParticipantME wrote:Starting off from the smallest bacteria or whatever it was that came first…
I know what i typed and yeah even if it had been bacteria, there could be lots of kinds and each was a different being. And i didn’t necessarily mean it WAS bacteria, heck it could have been anything. I’m not 100% knowledgable on the subject just giving my thoughts on it. And as i said, i may be totally wrong, its just what i choose to believe.Edit: I would also like to add in, do you get what evolution means?…It doesn’t mean one type of animal is totally destroyed so that another can be created. It just means changes in one type occured so we have another. So all them animals have different types, like kittens, tigers, leopards, cheetahs, and so on. Just like it may have started with kittens or tigers, we still have both, but they are both different.
June 10, 2005 at 10:26 pm #123875TigerbladeParticipantmy problem with the bigbang theory is that all living organisms are so complex that it seems extremely unlikely that we came from a rock. and before you complain that we didnt come from rocks… evolutionists claim there was rain for millions/billions of years, slowly eroding minerals and whatnot from the rocks, which eventually, over another several billion years or so, became bacteria… i have trouble believing that humans and all these other terrifically complex organisms came from rocks.
and where did the BigBang come from? nothing spontaneously became everything? that seems unlikely without the intervention of a higher being (i.e. God)as for evolution leading to kittens/tigers/leopards, etc… that’s not what evolution is. evolution is the mutation of a particular form of organism, which supposedly helps the organism in such a way that it is better able to spread its genetic material. however, there has NEVER been a mutation that has been shown to be beneficial to the organism. NEVER. every mutation ever observed or induced has been detrimental, usually fatal to the organism.
the kittens/leopards thing, it’s adaptation and variation within species. same reason we have collies and daschunds and keeshonds; black people, white people, asian people. it’s not mutation that creates the differences, it’s variation within species.June 11, 2005 at 2:04 am #123878QwertyMemberchikenkicker wrote:question you said yourself we evolved from the smallest bacteria,lets see if i can get the order of evoloution straight, micro-oranism>fish>reptiles>birds>primates>humans, now if it happened in that order, how do we still have fish, birds, reptiles and primates? if we evolved from then wouldnt they no longer exist?No. There would be different types of that particular animal that evolved, the other species would stay the same.You need to have actually studied the theory of evolution to properly understand it, it isn’t just about all animals slowly changing over time. There is a bit more to it.
I believe in evolutuon, if god created the earth and all the aniamlas we see today, how come we have fossils of animals that arnt around today? The story of adam and eve is just somthing people thoguht up ages ago to explain where people came from. That’s all it is.
June 11, 2005 at 9:21 am #123877RabidKittenParticipantMm, well, I honestly couldn’t tell you what happened, and really, to be perfectly honest, I don’t care.
It’s hard to believe that some higher being said “well, I’m bored, let’s have some people in there” and they were created just as we are today, especially when even over the last few hundred years people have changed. We’re no longer as short, some people are now born without wisdom teeth..whatever else you can think offhand.
Sure, maybe we were slapped here as monkeys and evolved, maybe we were fish, bacteria, a fecking mushroom, I don’t know, but hey, whatever it was, there had to be something there to begin with. but here’s a question, if god created the gass, or the world, or whatever, what created god? *shrug* meh.
Honestly, I don’t care. I’m here now, I have ideas and thoughts of things greater than myself, and lingering opinions on said ideas and thoughts, but really, what is the point of trying to look so far into it when nobody will ever know the absolute truth? I focus on the now, preferably. I deal with the earth, nature and the things that come with it, like people, plants, animals, elementals, spirits and such and so forth more than I deal in the idea of some intangible diety and the beginnings of it all…just as I don’t deal in how the world ends or the concept of death and such. What’s to worry about? It happens to us all, so sooner or later we’ll be clued in on it. *shrug*
No worries.
June 11, 2005 at 10:12 am #123884sarahtownyMemberI am person of few words, yeah right! haha :0) I don’t believe in the guy/girl (you never know!!) upstairs has created all this. So I will go with the bang option!
June 11, 2005 at 1:20 pm #123886RustyMemberI belive in God and that he created the earth. If it is true that we just died out or something that wouldn’t be that bad.
“I would rather live my life like there is a god, then to die and find out there isn’t.” I don’t know who said that though.
June 11, 2005 at 1:42 pm #123880Crazy PenguinMemberPersonally i’m of the belief that evolution is the best of the theories out tehre at the moment, i’m not syaing it’s complete, indeed there seems to be a lto we still have to learn about it but it seems to be on the right track in my mind…
nothing spontaneously became everything? that seems unlikely without the intervention of a higher being (i.e. God)
Yes it seems fairly unlikely, but then ou have to ask yourself who created God? or did god just spontaneously create himself, which by your logic is unlikely…
however it has to be said that the big bang theory does not mean that God doesn’t exist, it’s entirely possible that the big bang theory was “Gods” way of getting things done, the big bang theory does not seek to explain how the universe came into being, only that it occured.
evolutionists claim there was rain for millions/billions of years, slowly eroding minerals and whatnot from the rocks, which eventually, over another several billion years or so, became bacteria
They do? I thought the consensus was that WE DON’T KNOW how life came about, we have theories about how life oculd possibly have begun, and as we speak there are several groups trying to artifically create life. We know life was present on earth from about a billion years after it was formed (i think, may be wrong about the dates here) as bacterium, and over the years through variation all the other lifeforms have slowly come into existence… or that’s the theory anyway, and in my mind it makes more sense than any other theory.
as for evolution leading to kittens/tigers/leopards, etc… that’s not what evolution is. evolution is the mutation of a particular form of organism, which supposedly helps the organism in such a way that it is better able to spread its genetic material. however, there has NEVER been a mutation that has been shown to be beneficial to the organism. NEVER. every mutation ever observed or induced has been detrimental, usually fatal to the organism.
the kittens/leopards thing, it’s adaptation and variation within species. same reason we have collies and daschunds and keeshonds; black people, white people, asian people. it’s not mutation that creates the differences, it’s variation within species
Mutation causes variation. Mutations occur all the time, occasionally the genes of a parent get miscopied and the child has different genes, this is the process by which variations occur minute mutations which take place and end up embeded in a creatures genes. And if over a long period of time the situation arises where possesing this “mutation” means a creatures is more likley to survive, for example having a longer one thing, shorter another than those creatures with this mutation will survive and breed and tehse characteristics will be passed on, so over the years we get the huge variety of creatures present.
Now i am baffled by the fact that if you can accept variation causing kittens/tigers/leopards, but not evolution, surely it’s just the extension of the same principle extended over billions of years, ok the mechansim may not have been completely confirmed, but it seems more valid that creationism, after all the mechanisms for the procedure have been suggested, observations fit the theory and though there is more work to be done it’s valid highly credible theory.
But creationism, I don’t see how it is credible, we’ve never SEEN god come down and create a new species, i’m not aware of a mechanism by which God could create species, there is nothing to test to prove whether the theory is right and all in all in my mind is on very weak grounds.
But admitedly I’m not an expert on creationism, and if you can give me a credible arguement on why it is as valid as evolution, and not just an arguement against evolution, i’ll grant that creationsim is a theory which has as much chance of being right as evolution, but currently i have to say the chance of creationism being right seems pretty slim in my mind.
June 11, 2005 at 8:07 pm #123892MrOatsMemberMy belief (as a Catholic) is that no matter how much “evidence” you have that created the world, (ex: Big Bang Theory, a ball of energy or “goo” evolved,complete evolution etc.) it does not make any sense without God or a higher being. Believe in whatever you want, it won’t make sense weather you put God/Higher Being into it. That’s the way God made it, a mystery for all, that we will find out when we die.
June 11, 2005 at 9:01 pm #123881Crazy PenguinMemberum… the last pope accepted the truth of evolution and the big bang, and encouraged scientists to investigate the “mysteries” of the universe to better understand God, and it should be noted that niether of the theories of evolution or the big bang preclude the existence of God, it is entirely plausible that God initiated the big bang, and set the universe running according to whatever parameters he wished, and then the universe and evolution inevitably led on from this to the world today.
June 11, 2005 at 9:05 pm #123893MrOatsMemberCrazy Penguin wrote:um… the last pope accepted the truth of evolution and the big bang, and encouraged scientists to investigate the “mysteries” of the universe to better understand God, and it should be noted that niether of the theories of evolution or the big bang preclude the existence of God, it is entirely plausible that God initiated the big bang, and set the universe running according to whatever parameters he wished, and then the universe and evolution inevitably led on from this to the world today.Crazy Penguin, some people are so skeptical that they think that God didn’t make the Big Bang theory, That was to whom that post was targeted at. I myself belive in evolution and the Big Bang theroy. Some people don’t even belive that God set off the Big Bang or the world itself, and that the world and laws of physics were just “here”. Some people are just into facts, facts, and more facts, and don’t believe that God set off the creation of the world at all. Sorry for the confusion… 😮
June 11, 2005 at 9:11 pm #123882Crazy PenguinMemberHeh, well i’m pretty sure God didn’t make the big bang theory… that was some other guy. :p
And to be honest I am not convinced that god created the big bang, but then i am not convinced he didn’t, so i am prepared to accept the possibility he did, and even if he didn’t it’s still pretty damned miraculous.
June 11, 2005 at 9:46 pm #123874EEDOKMemberI believe neither of these happened.. Beat a theory like that!
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