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March 17, 2005 at 5:07 am #17178Someguy03Member
Would you buy that 20$ album you wanted? Would you pay $9.50 to see that movie in the theater, or just forget about it?
I for one, will not buy an album for over $5.00 unless it is a huge favorite of mine. I refuse to spend 900$ to get myself Macromedia Studio MX, and same goes for the 600$ Photoshop CS and 500$ Microsoft Office 2003.
March 18, 2005 at 2:39 am #115767Someguy03MemberJudging by the few votes recieved, it looks like the RIAA expects things to happen much differently once P2P is gone than most people. They seem to believe that profits will jump 50% and that sales will double or something along the lines of that. But they need to understand that its alot more complicated than a simple “The only reason people arent buying our stuff is because they can get it for free.”
March 18, 2005 at 3:16 am #115793joleneMemberI completely agree. LOL! I’d definitely go to the movies (because I already do right now) but I definitely won’t buy albums. I don’t download any videos actually, just music. And before P2P I used to get it from websites/rip from cds borrowed.
If P2P was banned, I’d just revert to that. It’s still possible to get music from websites for free, even right now.
March 27, 2005 at 10:29 pm #115762Jeff HesterKeymasterThat’s interesting. But the fact that you can download stuff for free implies that you download lots of thing you wouldn’t really need, or you certainly wouldn’t buy if you had to pay for them. You just try out, search, etc. It’s nice because you don’t risk anything at all and you get everything.
But the RIAA is doing a wrong assumption.. I wonder what they’ll say next, when they realise that wasn’t the key…
March 28, 2005 at 3:14 am #115791FirefoxManMemberI know about 3 people (who have VERY EXTENSIVE music libraries), who are willing to lend me their CD’s for me to burn. So no matter what they do, there will always be a way to get music free.
March 28, 2005 at 3:23 am #115787AwesomeSauceParticipantNot only can you borrow a friend’s CD, but you can rip it on your computer and send the files to other people over IM. Is THAT illegal? If it isn’t, isn’t that a little like searching for the file on a P2P filesharing program and downloading it from someone else’s computer?
March 28, 2005 at 3:41 am #115792FirefoxManMemberI rest my case. The RIAA will never win. 🙂
March 28, 2005 at 5:56 am #115773TigerbladeParticipantmeh. it appears i’m at the point of not having any p2p ability… the one network that still worked for me was Ares, and now that doesnt want to connect for the last month and some. so now i’m without a source for new music.
i certainly can’t go to the store and buy music, cause i’m broke. i got no money, and any money i do have has to go to rent. go screw the RIAA. i had a good run (could have been better, but i’m not a freak like some people with their 130 GB of music files) and its over for now. i do miss the ability to preview movies before spending a million dollars at the theatres… but i guess i’ll have to deal with it.
March 28, 2005 at 1:52 pm #115790amy_d_gParticipantTigerblade wrote:meh. it appears i’m at the point of not having any p2p ability… the one network that still worked for me was Ares, and now that doesnt want to connect for the last month and some. so now i’m without a source for new music.i certainly can’t go to the store and buy music, cause i’m broke. i got no money, and any money i do have has to go to rent. go screw the RIAA. i had a good run (could have been better, but i’m not a freak like some people with their 130 GB of music files) and its over for now. i do miss the ability to preview movies before spending a million dollars at the theatres… but i guess i’ll have to deal with it.
Tigerblade, why not try irc for that? I’ve never been much on the p2p networks, since Audiogalaxy got shut down way back when, that’s the way I’ve been doing it. I tried a few p2p apps and IMO irc works much better.
March 28, 2005 at 1:58 pm #115788AwesomeSauceParticipantTigerBlade, Ares did the same thing to me a while ago, It didn’t want to connect, so I tried downloading it again and reinstalling it, then it worked. Try that.
March 28, 2005 at 4:13 pm #115774TigerbladeParticipanti have. three times. and apparently its not just me, detn8r was having the same problem, for the same length of time… but i suppose i can try it again.
back to the topic at hand… the way i look at it is this. p2p lets me preview albums, movies, whatever, for free. if i really like what i’m seeing/hearing, i’ll go to the store and buy it when i get a chance and some funds. i downloaded “I, Robot” and “Alien vs Predator,” liked them, bought them. i also downloaded “Hero,” “The Forgotten,” etc… didnt like them so much, so i’m glad i didnt throw away $20+ buying the DVDs or the ridiculous theatre prices.
if i really like it, i’ll support it. if its a bunch of crap and the album has only one good song, and i can hear that song on the radio all the time, then why shell out $20?
March 28, 2005 at 6:33 pm #115765OreoMemberWell….I really could not vote in this poll because I have to say the P2P has not STOPPED me from buying the things I want. I like actually buying things and having the legitimate product. I prefer it in fact.
March 28, 2005 at 7:03 pm #115769shifterMemberThere are certain artists whom I will always buy there albums, no matter what. But if I’m going to spend some money to support an artist, buying there album is the worst possible way. I’ve said this before, but artists generally make jack squat from album sales, this revenue goes straight to the Labels and they don’t share much of this with the artist. If you really want to support an artists music, go to a show and buy a t-shirt. We get shows here for about $20 a ticket, about the same cash as a new CD, but the artists get a much better percentage of that $20 than buying that over-priced CD.
Eliminating P2P is impossible, it will never be done. Sure, it might get harder to do, but it will just go deeper underground. Fighting your customers is not good business practice, they need to use some creative thinking if the Record Industry wants to survive.
March 28, 2005 at 7:13 pm #115775TigerbladeParticipantand creative thinking should not involve suing everyone who uses p2p programs. i like what some artists have done, release a few tracks on p2p as samples of their album, to stimulate interest. of course, once people buy those albums, they’ll just post the rest of the album on the network, so that doesnt really solve much… until they somehow find a way to keep CDs from being ripped (if they do… in which case someone else will figure out how to rip it anyway).
how about not making crappy products?? they have to know that only a few songs out of the whole album are any good… how bout putting some effort into making decent songs? if the whole album is good, i’ll be more willing to put my money toward it.
and shifter, going to the artists shows isnt always feasible… you’re pretty limited unless you want to start buying plane tickets to wherever they’re performing, or hauling yourself to the closest tour location. not all of us live in prime touring locations.
March 28, 2005 at 8:05 pm #115770shifterMemberTigerblade wrote:and shifter, going to the artists shows isnt always feasible… you’re pretty limited unless you want to start buying plane tickets to wherever they’re performing, or hauling yourself to the closest tour location. not all of us live in prime touring locations.Oh, trust me, I’m about as far out of “prime touring” as you can get. But we still get some decent bands down here, but I drive down to see the bigger ones perform in the big cities as well. Obviously my suggestion won’t work for everyone, but for those who can, seeing a band live is much more fulfilling than any studio album you can buy in stores. I just want people to know they can support a band without actually buying the CD. If you aren’t able to go to touring shows, go online and check out the bands website for some cool clothes or other band-related product, then borrow Ma & Pop’s AMEX and get yourself some gear straight from the source. 😉Oh, and as for creative ideas, Collective Licensing is certainly an interesting one.
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