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December 31, 2004 at 4:10 am #110077
nlgarrett
MemberI am an Amercian, And you are right America does not give a damn becuase we have the most worlds dumbest president. I am from texas and he was our govenor. He did not care about texas either. All he cares is just being. One of the dixie chicks even said they were ashamed to be from texas cuase of bush. I just wish he would relize when other contries need help he does not care about that either So many of our troops have been killed over there my bf was over there he is now home from iraq. I hated the fact he had to go there to fight this stupid damn war. We got who we wanted so why not have this war over. what happens if he brings the draft back again he says he wont but he has lied to so many americans. We could fund asia instead of a war. I bet you he would help get his daughters bfs out of this war if they had to go over there. I am ashamed that I live in this country that does not care about anyone WHEN IS THIS WAR GOING TO BE OVER. I am an anti bush. He has not done a thing for this country except for this war. and this is how I feel on waht is going on in this country
we could fund asia and help those people get back on there feet instead of funding a war.
NancyDecember 31, 2004 at 4:32 am #110059colin
MemberQuote:quote:Originally posted by nlgarrettI am an Amercian, And you are right America does not give a damn becuase we have the most worlds dumbest president. I am from texas and he was our govenor. He did not care about texas either. All he cares is just being. One of the dixie chicks even said they were ashamed to be from texas cuase of bush. I just wish he would relize when other contries need help he does not care about that either So many of our troops have been killed over there my bf was over there he is now home from iraq. I hated the fact he had to go there to fight this stupid damn war. We got who we wanted so why not have this war over. what happens if he brings the draft back again he says he wont but he has lied to so many americans. We could fund asia instead of a war. I bet you he would help get his daughters bfs out of this war if they had to go over there. I am ashamed that I live in this country that does not care about anyone WHEN IS THIS WAR GOING TO BE OVER. I am an anti bush. He has not done a thing for this country except for this war. and this is how I feel on waht is going on in this country
we could fund asia and help those people get back on there feet instead of funding a war.
NancyObviously not everyone feels this way about the President. I mean, look who won the election. And he has done a lot of positive things besides the war. He fights for what he believes in, and what he believe will better the country.
BTW, why exactly are we fighting about this, when we should just be thinking about the victims. It does no good to fight with each other on this subject.
December 31, 2004 at 4:52 am #110075cuteb0mberchick
Membernlgarrett if Kerry was elected as president I don’t think you would be sitting here and talking stuff but since Bush was re-elected he just saved your life didn’t you know that?
and again USA donated 35milion dollars was just a starts.December 31, 2004 at 5:26 am #110049Tigerblade
ParticipantQuote:quote:Originally posted by nlgarrettI am an Amercian, And you are right America does not give a damn becuase we have the most worlds dumbest president.
the most worlds dumbest? and who decided this? you?
Quote:quote:Originally posted by nlgarrettOne of the dixie chicks even said they were ashamed to be from texas cuase of bush.
yeah, cause that’s who I look to for public opinion and moral guidance. the dixie chicks.
Quote:quote:Originally posted by colinBTW, why exactly are we fighting about this, when we should just be thinking about the victims. It does no good to fight with each other on this subject.
exactly.
December 31, 2004 at 6:28 am #110038David
ParticipantI’m going to come off rude, but I can’t take this much anymore. Please accept my apologies.
Quote:quote:Originally posted by nlgarrettI am an Amercian, And you are right America does not give a damn becuase we have the most worlds dumbest president.
I’m not saying Bush is “smart” or anything, but who are you to talk? “most dumbest”? Maybe you should touch up on your grammar before calling someone “most dumbest” if you want to get a point across. By the way, what the heck is an “Amercian”?
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All he cares is just being.What exactly does that mean?
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One of the Dixie chicks even said they were ashamed to be from Texas cuase of bush.The Dixie chicks are a great source of intelligence and well-through opinions as well.
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I just wish he would relize when other contries need help he does not care about that eitherBecause 35 million dollars is “nothing at all,” correct?
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We could fund asia instead of a war.You know what, we probably could. O
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I bet you he would help get his daughters bfs out of this war if they had to go over there.Maybe, but I think most presidents would do that, quietly of course.
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I am ashamed that I live in this country that does not care about anyoneThen leave, nobody is keeping you here.
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WHEN IS THIS WAR GOING TO BE OVER.It’s over when it’s over. I don’t agree with his exit strategy, but he did the right thing with the information provided to him. He prevented what could have been another terrorist attack, he is the first president to actually care about terrorism and do something.
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I am an anti bush. He has not done a thing for this country except for this war. and this is how I feel on waht is going on in this countryYeah, we know you are anti-Bush, because he is the “most dumbest.”
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we could fund asia and help those people get back on there feet instead of funding a war.
NancyBut is that our job? No, it’s not. We help out enough in this world, more than our economy should be able to handle.
December 31, 2004 at 6:24 pm #110023xerraire
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I really resent your accusation that Americans do not care. Historically we are a very generous nation, that cannot be denied. The dollar amount you quoted is for starters, and certainly doens’t include the private donations that will surely pour in.
In that, and even so, I don’t think we need to sum it all up, patting ourselves on the back on how “well” we do, or could do, or might do, above other nations.
But if makes you feel good or better to post numbers, to make yourself and Australia feel superior, good for you.
I for one have lost a lot of sleep, will donate what I can, I keep up in many ways with the news stories, and hope to heaven that the Indian and Atlantic Oceans put in place for a way that it cannot take anyone by such surprise again! I really know where my heart and prayers are, I don’t like to be lumped in with a group that you feel doesn’t care, no matter what group you accuse.
Barb
December 31, 2004 at 6:39 pm #110058mrblonde608
ParticipantThe U.S doesn’t care. Right.
That’s why we just raised our aid from $35 million to $350 million.
Or maybe we don’t care because we have two Naval battlegroups going there, 9 C-130’s, and 40+ helicopters.
All of those numbers are likely to be upped when Colin Powell, Jeb Bush and various other members of the US government take a trip to the area to access the damage.
Oh, I almost forgot the outpouring of American companies, and it’s average citizen.
We don’t care at all.
December 31, 2004 at 6:51 pm #110024xerraire
MemberWell Mr Blonde you supported what I said with figures, not that I need them to know how compassionate the average american is.
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BarbDecember 31, 2004 at 10:58 pm #110050RabidKitten
Participantabout when we were establishimg new and exciting things in Space. What about when we made the first car, or the lightbulb, or the Scuba, or helped establish the UN and NATO. What about when my god damned city took in the King of Jordan to try and save his life? What about the countless Princes and Kings and Queens that just Rochester Minnesota has taken in and tried to help and cure and save? What about allowing people from other countries come and go to school within our boarders so they could go back and help their own countries? Yes we’re advanced. Yes we have resources. Yes we have technology. Yes we have money, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit by and let anyone tell me that “You’re not doing your fair share”!
We’ve made mistakes, but we’ve also made contributions to the world and it’s people! We have our own problems too, you know. I’m not sure if you guys have noticed, but the United States is in a bit of a divided state as of late. Yeah, you know that whole Bush/Gore thing, then the 9-11 thing, then the patriot act thing, then the Terrorism thing, the Al Quaida thing, the Saddam thing, the oil thing, the war thing, the reelection thing…yeah you guys remember all of that stuff? Well regardless of what you people think, the US is quite divided on most, if not all of those topics. I couldn’t find the final numbers, but when I went to bed, there was only Ohio left and Bush was up by 51%. So that in itself, coupled with the Mish Mash of 2000 Florida (Jeb Bush Whisperings) really divided the US, as well as the world I think. Every single one of those topics has been hard on the US, if not the world and has divided us greatly, so really we have our own problems as well, how can you expect someone you’ve always gone to for help to help you any longer when they have their own personal issues? But this country, regardless of its downfalls and it’s problems is still trying to do what it can for whoever they can! Yeah so we might have made a mess out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but instead of just running away and letting the next biggest tyranical ruler come into play, at least we’re sticking around (this time) and trying to clean up after ourselves.
(Sources: http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/US_Aid_to_Israel.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0412/p07s01-wome.html
Now personally? I think Bush is a moron and is not the best person to lead the country. I think that he’s going to make a mess of the Supreme Court, that he’s too opinionated and biased towards the christian/catholic ideals and not even that, but he’s too anti many people just for the sake of his own beliefs. I had a bit more respect for Kerry for saying that “My personal beliefs may say that one thing (in this case it was abortion) is wrong, but I cannot dictate the entire country by my own personal beliefs. This wouldn’t be the land of the free or the home of the brave if I did that” Of course I’m paraphrasing, but that was the gist. He -respected- peoples right to choose and didn’t inflict his own personal beliefs on them. Sure, he wouldn’t have been the -best- choice, but really, politicians in general are never the “best choice”. They’re too self motivated in general. My Personal ideas? Saddam had to go, the patriot act is crap, the war has gone on too long, there’s been too much deception and underhandedness and the country is going to crap (but I’m not going to go and quote rappers of all people about it). The United States has the potential to be a magnificent country, of course, like all things perfect, it’s ruined by human nature. But through it all, we still “give a damn”.
December 31, 2004 at 11:28 pm #110025xerraire
MemberBasically, as an American, I don’t think it’s fair for someone from somewhere else to decide what it is I care and don’t care about. Period.
I wouldn’t presume in the least to babble what I thought Australians care about.Thats up to each individual.
January 1, 2005 at 1:08 am #110051RabidKitten
ParticipantWow…so it seems the first half of my message was chopped off and fed to the fishes making most of my post look and sound moronic. Yay for me! *strikes a pose!* I’m awesome! I knew I should’ve saved it…it was a good rant too *sigh* darnit all.
Anyway, to catch you up it went something like this.Before I get anywhere, I have to say that I am not the average United States Citizen (I will refrain from saying American since N8r has made it obvious that he doesn’t prefere that terminology since Canada is technically in North America as well) and my ideas and such tend to be hair brained, unpopular and not the norm in general, but I’ll try and be using of the proper grammar and not be talking like the most stupidest pr3zid3n7 that we are of the having. Blah blah blah, I’ve read all the posts, yadda yadda yadda, whatever.
…on second thought, I don’t feel like restating it all, let’s just say that overall, People look for someone to look to, whether that means to help them or to gripe about them, and for some reason, America is it. I don’t see Egypt calling up every American Citizen and saying “Gee, guys, thanks for the $50 Billion you’ve given us since 1975”. Or what about Columbia who gets $540 million each year to battle the drug trade. Or how about the $23,240 every single American Tax payer pays to each Israeli Citizen a year? Thats out of the Tax payers pockets. What about the Peace Corps who go and devote their time to other countries? What about the Missionaries? What about the people who take up collections to fight for World Wide Illnesses, or what about those cancer and aids walks? That’s not just for us you know. What about the relief funds for the world wide?
the United states is called many names in this day, colonists, jerks, greedy pigs, world police, morons, bigots and so many more that I’m sure some others could tell you better than I. But there was a time when those were the furthest things from our mind. When the attention was on other “bad” nations. But what happens when we complete our missions and the world goes back to normal? In my opinion it’s human nature to want to band against a common foe, and with great power comes great attention (and responsibility as Davie’s sig puts it), so naturally, who gets the attention? And yet for some reason it’s always negative. *shakes her head* I completely forget where I went after that, and it was worded much better and all of that, blegh my heads not in this heh, I made my “Smart” post for the day and it went to poot, so I’m just going to say *wave* later, kids, I’ll see if I’ll repost tomorrow.January 1, 2005 at 8:51 am #110071FirefoxMan
Memberrustedtight wrote:Why do you not now give a damn?
Is your memory so short?
When you cried out after 911 for support extracting vengeance/seeking to destroy terrorists we, Australia stood beside you with equality.
We ask now that you now respond.Now that there is a true disaster of major proportions it seems your hands remain in your shallow pockets.
This natural disaster, a tsunami is non selective in whom it harms.
Dont you care?
Australia (population 20 mil) promises first $10 million (50cents per person)
USA (population 200 mil plus) promises first $19million (less than 1 cent per person)
Dont you care?
Australia ups its contribution to $25 million ( $1.25 per head of population)
USA ups its contribution to $30 million (1.5 cents per head of population)
Dont you care?What message are you sending to the world? Your trying desperately to catch up with a poorer nation like Australia?, You considered the percentage of Muslims affected in the disaster and measured your contribution accordingly?, You just dont care? Christianity is dead in the USA?
Dont you care?
Write to your congressmen and demand they pull their hands out of the collective purse long enough to show compassion equal to the status you seek in the world and contribute to helping poorer people recover just for a short time.
Does 100 thousand dead mean nothing to you? so many more than within the twin towers…. remember them???By your actions you will be judged.
Dee…
I expect also to be condemned for posting this tho my conscience damanded that I did… … so be it.You are a freaking moron. I feel bad that your country got hit by a tidal wave, but we have our own problems. Whenever there’s major world catastrophe, we’re always the ones to run to everyone’s aid. But whenever we don’t “do our job” or should I say “stop everything and help poor little Australia when they want us too, despite the fact that we’re in a huge defecit already and your being hit by some water isn’t our first and foremost priority,” our country is ALWAYS picked on first because we “just don’t care.” Get over yourself. George Bush and our Congressman have done a damn good job handling our current situation (and I’m not a big supporter of Bush). We spent MILLIONS of dollars (which we don’t have) to help out the world during times of crisis… but just in case you didn’t know, thousands of men and women in our armed forces are getting gunned down everyday. We’re trying to get them home and to end the war before we start to shift ALL of our attention to your little island in the middle of the ocean… I don’t care what the world thinks either. They can kiss my ass if they have a problem with the way our country acts, I’m proud to be and American, and I’m proud of how we’re handling everything as well.
January 1, 2005 at 3:40 pm #110026xerraire
MemberFrankly
Its about the tragedy.
I really don’t know why one wants to bash a country or a government or its peoples.
Its about the TRAGEDY.EVERYONE should help. I believe in the goodness of man enough to know PEOPLE WILL help, they already are.
May the suffering be blessed by those that are willing to help, and bless them too.
And anyone who cares at all, can visit this page and find out where they can put their currency of choice where their mouth is » http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html
January 2, 2005 at 11:10 pm #110052RabidKitten
ParticipantSide note: If Christianity is dead in the US like Mr. high and Mighty claims, then why the crap is it so hard for me to convince my city that we should be allowed to have a pagan gathering place in town? Why is it that there’s only one greek church, one Jewish temple, one muslim masque, but 31 christian/catholic churches?
And really, I don’t see the connection between the US not sending aid and Christianity being “Dead” in the US. I really dont.January 2, 2005 at 11:55 pm #110060Crazy Penguin
MemberI don’t see the connection between the US not sending aid and Christianity being “Dead” in the US.
Well Christians are supposed to be kind generous and giving and all that jazz… so if America does not give, taht could be seen as an abandonment of christian principles…
On a sidenote here it’s really suprising living over in England how much religion matters over there in the US, over here we’re almost entirely secular, religion isn’t that much of an issue.
Anyway back to the aid issue, rusted tight really seems to have annoyed the american contingent, with what at the time was a valid assertion, that the US government wasn’t contributing enough, and this was an outrage, however the US has rectified the situation so everyones cool with the US now….
Anyway heres hoping that things don’t deteriorate in the area now, and they can get back on there feet. Hopefully the scale of the disatser will bring the people of the countries together, and the splits in Sri lanka and Indonesia especially are mended. Oh and lets hope that none of the governments in those countries seeks to use this disaster and deny aid to rebel regions.
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