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November 19, 2004 at 8:34 pm #70007sciencefeelingMemberQuote:quote:Originally posted by RigorMortis
The funny thing is I’m hispanic (born in Cuba), and I wasn’t offended by Qwerty’s comments. I guess I’m not that politically sensitive 🙂 But yea, I can see how those comments could be viewed as offensive.
And the part where being politically sensitive has anything to do with not liking racist comments is?.
Your comment does not make any sense, this discussion has nothing to do with politics. The word Hispanic describes racial features and not nationality. For example, I am Spanish and White Caucasian, and there are lots of Hispanic Americans…Really, I don’t know what you are talking about, and what does being from Cuba has to do with this whole thing.
Everybody here gets offended when someone does a racist comment, we get offended as responsible civilians independently of our race or nationality.Thanks Qwerty for your apology and you, of course, are entitled to think low of that ex-bullfighter (he does sound messed up 😮 if you ask me).
Back on topic, Crazy is right, plants have no nerves. Plants do have reactions though. Chemical interactions with the plant’s enviroment cause a response from the plant. For example to move towards the sun light, to direct their roots to the most humit soil, etc… The argument is if the capacity of response can be considered a “feeling”. The scientific opinion is that it cannot. The reason why is that every atom and molecule, even if is inorganic, responds to the enviroment in certain way and iteracts with its enviroment energetically, and that doesn’t mean that it is “feeling” something. So, plants are life forms but they don’t have the capacity to feel anything, they only have the capacity to respond to the enviroment through Physico-Chemical reactions.
So, the difference between plants and animals (including humans), is that we have nerves and brain, therefore, neural response, that causes feelings, while plants have chemical response, but not neural response, therefore, they don’t “feel” anything, not pain nor joy or pleasure.
That is a back up for vegetarianism, and that is why I respect vegetarians a lot, even if I am not one of them. It is legit scientifically to say “I am a vegetarian because I don’t want to cause pain and suffering to another life form”. Now, saying that vegies have feelings…that is just a plain lie.
N.-November 21, 2004 at 11:11 pm #70038LLXerxesMembermy moms vegan.
November 21, 2004 at 11:44 pm #70026RigorMortisMemberSome plants can ‘feel’. There’s a whole group of plants called ‘sensitive’ plants that can feel and react to being touched. And heck, some plants even eat animals. A Venus Flytrap can feel when an insect has crawled onto it’s leaves, and it’s considered a carnivorous plant. There are certain vines that can grow real long and have been known to capture and kill frogs, birds and rodents. So while plants don’t have nerves like we do, they still show signs of feeling things and being ‘touch-sensitive’. We don’t see a plant jumping back and saying ‘ouch’, but how can we really be sure that they’re not feeling pain?
November 22, 2004 at 6:57 pm #70008sciencefeelingMemberReact and “feel” is not the same thing…the plant doesn’t “feel” pain or sorrow or hapiness, it reacts to chemical stimulants…and that is not “feeling” the way we understand it. Read above…We are sure they dont feel because they don’t have a brain!! All the behaviour you describe has been analized and has nothing to do with “feeling”.
So no, they don’t do “ouch”, or “it hurts” or are scared of death…they don’t “feel” because the “feelings” are formed in your brain. And…just to let you know “all” plants have those reactions you describe. And the fact that a plant is carnivorous doesn’t give it a brain…
But oh well, next time I prepare a salad, I will apologize, hehehe.
Natalia is wondering that if we couldn’t eat animals nor plants, what would we eat?:confused:
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November 23, 2004 at 5:23 am #70020colinMemberEDIT:nvm, sorry to bring up that little fight again, didnt see the date
November 23, 2004 at 2:42 pm #70004Jeff HesterKeymasterWell I eat a lot of soy food as a substitute for meat (Any of you ever tried soy burgers or soy icecream?). Not that I’m a vegetarian but I don’t like eating a lot of meat. I balance it. Plus with this Mad Cow disease coming and going every now and then I become skeptic of eating it. I’ll always eat chicken though. Good stuff. Oh and I do eat real ice cream too.
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