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July 9, 2004 at 6:17 am #3099RazaMember
Hi!
I am a Pakistani. I am proud to be a Pakistani. One thing that I am much concrned about and that I cannot understand is “Why everyone in the Europe and America hates us Pakistanis??”. We are not bad guys at all, we are honest, loving, caring, and helping all the way, what the hell is the American and European Media doing with us people? We are being portrayed as terrorists! No way! we are not the Terriorists…. As far as the sequence of bad things that happened in recent years and are continuing is concerned, it happens every where, there are terrorists in America and Eurpo too, They are not Pakistanis, there are criminals everywhere, they all are not Pakistanis, People kill each other for money, race, religion etc. everywhere, It doesnt mean that everyone on the globe is terrorist….Not a Single Pakistani was involved in the attacks on 9/11…No Pakistnai supports such acts at all….but inspite of all that…we are treated as terrorists… Why?July 9, 2004 at 6:21 am #41958Hurricane22491MemberI have no idea why. It must be George Bush’s fault ^_^. I think it’s mostly people that don’t understand that hate. Some people just don’t realize that Pakistan isn’t doing anything wrong.
July 9, 2004 at 1:52 pm #41967confused_amandaMemberI live in the UK and I was brought up around Pakistanis and many other cultures all my life…my opinion certainly hasn’t changed sinced 9/11. It’s the individual person that people should be making opinions on…you can’t generalize a whole race!
I think it’s people’s ignorance that is causing this dislike, but hopefully the fuss will go down once people actually know the facts about what has been happening around the world.
July 9, 2004 at 2:00 pm #41955MartinBradleyMemberI’m not entirely sure that it’s Pakistani’s who are hated. I’m no expert on these matters, but I think its the Moslim religion which seems to have been given the most hate. That’s because those involved in 9/11, the planners and executors were Moslims.
However I don’t think it is President Bush’s fault that this hatred exists. He has consistantly said that the people who plotted 9/11 will be “brought to justice”. He hasn’t told the Western World to hate all Moslims, Afghans, Iraqis etc.
July 9, 2004 at 4:32 pm #41946CharlesMemberAnti-American hate has grown all over the world. Though I don’t see why, maybe someone can fill me in. I do not believe many Americans hate Arabs of any sort. Perhaps the fault of this hatred that would exist is from 9/11. Yes, they were Moslims, but to my knowledge, that is radical Islam– not accepted by the majority of Moslims.
I see on the news Anti-Bush protests around the world. I do not see why everybody hates him. After all, the US has freed more people in the world in the last 200 years than the other nations on earth combined.
Ronald Reagan’s foreign and defense policies led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and freeing of approx. 122 million people.
The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger.
23 million Taiwanese would be under communist rule if it wasn’t for us.
48 million South Koreans would be living under a dictatorship.
The US removed Milosevich from power who was responsible for murdering thousands in the Balkans.
The US removed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. (with help from so-called friends)
The USA and Britain removed the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East.
America is sending $15 billion to Africa to help victims of AIDS. No idea how much France contributes, if anything. To be fair, Canada sends $270 million, which is substantial.
America has prevented dictators from rising to power in Central America in countries such as Haiti and Grenada.
This costs every American tax-payer A LOT of money each year. I find it insulting that any country dislike America because of its foreign policies. Our closest ally right now is clearly Great Britain. Other countries such as France (saved you guys plenty of times, WWII), Russia (corrupt with France in the UN oil-for-food scandal), and Canada (according to a new poll 40% of Canadian teens think America is evil), long time allies, seem to be showing anti-American feelings.
America has a right to defend itself and its interests in places like Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, and its Homeland. We shouldn’t need UN approval from nations whose media distorts the truth about America. What wars has the UN prevented? All the UN peace-keeping forces were primarily made up of American soldiers. The UN’s purpose was to prevent wars like WWII. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
I have nothing against Pakistan or Pakistanis as long as they cooperate with our government in finding terrorists along the border of your nation. Aiding terrorists is an act against America. If any country does that, they have beef with America.
July 9, 2004 at 4:45 pm #41969RazaMember“Attention=MARTIN”
Thanx for giving another angle to the discussion, it will help me to review my opinion on the topic, as well as Islam is concerned let me clear you something, Islam’s dictionary meanings are “peace”, “peace for everyone”, and the Islam I know, doesnt in any way says to kill anyone, in Quran, Allah Almighty says, I quote “One who killed one human being, killed the whole humanity”, this verse very openly tell what is Islam all aobut…and those who commit this crime of killing so many poeple on 9/11 and before or after that…are no way MUSLIMS! thats what I and every ture muslim believes…And as far as Mr. Bush is concerned…he has a inherited this HATE FOR ISLAM from his father, America is coninuously supporting Israili atrocities against Palestenians, there is no restriction for Israil, It can get anything, any weapon, but muslims cannot, y not muslims can have a Nuke if Israil can? His fatehr invaded Iraq, now he has repeated this, where are the so called WMDs America told the world Iraq has? Not a single Iraqi was involved in 9/11, Saddam was not associated with Al-qaida??? What is this all? Why the muslims will love you when you hate them? So you cannot blame just muslims for this fuss….America is the equal partner in creating this unpeaceful world
July 9, 2004 at 5:21 pm #41970RazaMemberHi Charles!
Thanx for mentioning detailed facts and figures…i shall say most of the above acts, that you support, come under “Interfereing other countires soverignity”…Who the hell is amera to interfere in Russias matters? who the hell is America to intervene in Taiwan’s matter? China is the most populated country of the world and all the Chinese are living under Communist Rule, they are happy with it, suppose if they are not, who is America to go ahead to force china to follow his system? Every country has freedom to run its system as it likes…how can America impose things on independent nations and countries? America should restraint/limit its INTERESTS within America…The whole world is not AMERICA…they have their own religions, systems to follow…How can you expect that a Muslim should Follow Christinity? Who gave America the right to impose its interests thousands miles away in Afghanistan? Iraq? China? Vietnam and rest of the world? Did any muslim country ever asked America to follow Islam and its System of LIfe? When we dont interfere in thier matters, Why the hell these people are doing this to us? Bush must Rule America, not the WORLD!!
July 9, 2004 at 6:31 pm #41947CharlesMemberI believe America does limit its interests. However, for the decency of mankind, as the most powerful nation on Earth, it would have been foolish to sit aside and let a person like Saddam Hussein kill hundreds of thousands of people.
Would you consider it unjust for America to invade a country to bring democracy to it? You say that America should let the world be free to govern itself. How can one be free under a dictatorship? In reality, countries cannot govern themselves without the UN or the US.
You bring up a good point about the Muslim countries asking America to follow Islam. No they do not ask us to, you’re right. However, the terrorist militants are after America because of the way we live. Because we don’t force women to cover themselves in public. Because we don’t pray to Mecca 5 times a day. Because we support Israel. It is a core western belief to support democracy. Period. Not because of religion. America supports democracy. Americans support democracy. No matter what race, gender, age, religion, belief, or any difference. 99.9% of Americans support democracy. You cannot be truly free unless you live under democracy. It isn’t a matter about ruling the world to Bush. It isn’t about leaving up to one guy and his friends to rule a country. It is about people ruling themselves.
A dictator that kills innocent people is guilty under international law. No excuses. Whether he is Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, or Hindu. In your opinion, Israel may be guilty of killing innocent people. However, suicide bombers at cafes are just as guilty. There is a serious problem over there, but the answer is not for the US to end support for Israel. The bloodshed would just increase…there is another way. Peace is a long process. Both sides will need to agree, it is an extremely complicated issue that many people, including me, cannot give a solid solution to.
I hope you can at least acknowledge my opinion, as I have yours. I see that things must be entirely different on the other side of the fence.
July 9, 2004 at 7:32 pm #41964JayBe123MemberI’ve got nothing against pakistani’s or anyone else really to that matter. 🙂
July 9, 2004 at 8:07 pm #41953OreoMember[q]In reality, countries cannot govern themselves without the UN or the US.[/q]
Many countries do just fine governing themselves without the US. The United States has many good intentions, but they don’t always show it the right way. Also, saying the countries cannot govern themselves without the US or UN just fans the flames of Anti-US ideas….I mean, that sounds kind of cocky. (No offense Charles). I don’t have anything against Pakistanis or Pakistan. I do have a problem with people who protect others they know to be terrorists or allow brainwashing to occur within their borders and do nothing about it. It makes no difference of creed, colour, or nation or origin. I have a problem also, with people using religion to further their PERSONAL or POLITICAL goals. Doing so, condemns others within that religion to suffer consequences because of a greedy minority misusing their power. I think much of the problem that some Europeans and Americans have, is that they have not been shown the other, more abundant, side of Islam in the media. We’re only shown evil terriorists who happen to be Islamic and other images. Before I’m taken the wrong way, I have nothing against the US. We have a history that usually is very unappreciated, it’s because of this history that, on a whole, we try to make things “right” everywhere else. The problem is, not all cultures our like ours, we are misunderstood and sometimes do not appreciate other cultures.
July 10, 2004 at 1:35 pm #41971RazaMemberI strongly object over the statement “Countiries cannot govern themselves without UN and US”. UN was formed after the WWII. Before that, countries existed and they used to govern themselves very well… And UN have never fulfilled its mendate…
As far as the prevailing government system in the US is concerned and as far as the social system in America is concerned, America is the country of americans, they do whatever they like, but they must limit their doings in America only, they should not force their social and government system to any other country….If the people of any country are suffering due to their system or rulers, its the people who have to change it, not the America.
You addressed the Suicide Bombing problem in Cafes in Israel…I, in any form, do not and would not support SBs anywhere in the world, as I said in an earlier post that I am a muslim and Islam doesnt allow anybody to take anyones lives, even not your own, but anybody ever tried to figure this out that why these bombers do so? I have a question for you, you own a farm, you decide to sell some portion of it to someone, after soemtime, he occupies your family farmhouse and ancestors land, throwing you out of it…What you are supposed to do? you will kill him or of you are not able to do that you will kill everyone including you….No one can bear invasion of some outsider in his house, no one in this earh can bear this….
As far as the terrorist muslims are concerned, anyone who falls under the definition of Terrorist is not Muslim….i mean a muslim cannot be a Terrorist and the one who is terrorist is not a MUSLIM!
July 10, 2004 at 7:25 pm #41939detn8rParticipantI honestly find it amazing how America likes to take credit for many things conquered by many joining nations. “If it wasn’t for America” – I think that is where some people start to hate Americans because of their cocky atmosphere. Because as it looks, America only does these things to boost their own egos to think.. hey.. there’s another one to add to the book. (I certainly believe that is not true though)
And as for this closest allie crap. Canada is, and always was The Unites States closest allie. How can you judge what Canada as a whole believes on ignorant teenagers who would rather smoke a joint than learn a History lesson? Canada is a peace keeping country. We worked hard to become what we are.
I also hate this “You owe us one France” attitude the Americans give. I believe it should have been France’s decision to “pay back” America for their help in the past. I find it amazing how America expects France to jump on their back on the snap of their fingers.
France told America, along with the rest of the world.. “We will help America fight only if the United Nations agrees to allow you to do this.” Canada followed that statement.Oh, by the way….. do Americans still eat French Fries?
As for this original topic about Pakistanis – I have several close Pakistani friends. I in no way hold against what other Pakistanis do against them. Any one Pakistani should be held responsible for his own actions, just like any one Canadian, any one American, any one Britain etc. I will never hold his country as a whole responsible. (Actually unless you have a country like Iraq where you have many citizens who still support Saddam Hussein, and demand he be freed. This I feel, is a country who shall be held responsible for actions previously recorded, as they don’t seem care what he has done, not only to his citizens of Iraq, but others in other countries as well.)
But unfortunately I feel there is no cure for hate crimes. People don’t need a reason to hate anymore. They either jump the bandwagon, or there are born into it.. and it’s a shame.
Canada, and Canadians seem to get a lot of the same treatment that Pakistanis get from 9/11. We look, we talk, we act the same, therefore we shall be blamed the same (as Americans). Horse **** in my opinion.July 10, 2004 at 8:19 pm #41935Jeff HesterKeymasterI hate generalizations. To say “everyone hates Pakistani’s” or “Americans feel the French owe them…” is an oversimplification of reality.
We are all people. We are all individuals. We all have value. We have our own, unique opinions. Labels dehumanize.
July 10, 2004 at 10:45 pm #41961f0rbezMemberHow can you imply that America has no business in other areas of the world? America is a melting pot. It is a unique nation that has been built from people of every religion, race, and custom. It’s sole purpose was originally (besides the search for gold) to serve as an alternative place to settle to avoid wrongful treatment in other nations. It was founded by many people that have moved here to escape the persecution they have been confronted with in their home nations, usually due to religion. So we should not be concerned when we see other wrong-doings going on in other areas of the world?
Because we are made up of such a varied people, it is in our interest to defend these people in other areas of the world, NOT to force our ideas and ways of living on others.
Should we have, when people of other nations immigrated here, told them “You have no business here”. After all, by becoming a US citizen, you have an equal right in participating in our government. Even if it is only by voting.
Quote:quote:How can you expect that a Muslim should Follow Christinity? Who gave America the right to impose its interests thousands miles away in Afghanistan? Iraq? China? Vietnam and rest of the world?No one is expecting for Muslims to convert to Christianity. Nor are we expecting to impose any of our ways of living.
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I think its unfortunate that people have such Anti-American views. People think that we are all the same, that what our government is doing is what we believe in. While I don’t totally agree with what our government has done, I do still stand behind it.I do think that there is a hatred of Americans by Canadians (no offense guys). Speaking to several Canadians, I’ve found out that many of them make automatic assumptions that we are all just stupid Americans. It seems like they think we are just the big dumb meathead jocks in highschool trying to beat up everybody, as I’m sure many other nations believe too.
It just kind of aggrivates me that we get these types of feelings from a neighboring nation. While you guys may not agree with our governments doings, don’t just assume that we are behind them 100 percent. Personally, I can’t wait to get Bush out of office. Not because of the war with Iraq. I feel that its already been done and theres nothing to do but continue until Iraq has a stable government to take over. What I really don’t like are the privacy and censorship issues we are experiencing internally.
July 11, 2004 at 1:03 am #41940detn8rParticipantQuote:quote:I do think that there is a hatred of Americans by Canadians (no offense guys). Speaking to several Canadians, I’ve found out that many of them make automatic assumptions that we are all just stupid Americans. It seems like they think we are just the big dumb meathead jocks in highschool trying to beat up everybody, as I’m sure many other nations believe too.I don’t think you have your facts based on proper findings. I think you have come to the same conclusion as Charles has. You have asked ignorant teenagers. It’s simple to me in my opinion. The only thing that I hold against any one nation is their arrogance. And in my eyes the United States has the biggest arrogance level topping off the charts. This obliviously doesn’t apply to every American, as not all Canadians believe in the same thing, but I do know that many Canadians if anything hold arrogance against our sister nation America.
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