ok after trying and trying I still dont know what the hell is wrong, but ive come to the conclusion that my email address is the problem, not my MSN. When logging on as my proper email address I get the errors, but when I use a crappy newer one it works fine. I really dont understand this, how come one email address is fine but the other doesnt work. Ive checked my hotmail and both email accounts are working fine, so I dont see any valid reason for my main email address screwing up MSN