ok well ive got it all there and I can connect hte grabber get hte info and stuff, when I put my MSN group addy into the bar it asks for type so I put URL then it will let me get so far, but then the screen kinda ticks, like tis connecting then refreshing itself every two seconds! so it just wont connect and everytime it does it its messing my MSN password up cause it says ive tried too many times :S plzzzzzz help lol im totally lost with it now and dont know wat to try