The Truth about Y tunnel

Yeah right – Do you not understand how to edit a post? From now on, just edit your reply rather than posting four replies in a row.

I agree that using the Java client is a good way to avoid many boots, and we’ve advocated that here at this site in the past.

Using an “unauthorized” add-on like Y!Tunnel may or not be against the TOS, but it’s common practice. Look at how many other clients there are (Trillian, Miranda, etc.) that are used by millions of people, who do not have their accounts locked. It would seem that in practice, as long as you’re not doing anything malicious, Yahoo tends to be pretty lenient in enforcing their TOS.

As for Y!Tunnel, I don’t personally use it, but they I don’t go to Yahoo chat rooms and I don’t have booting problems. I do personally know many people who have used it and found that it’s helped them, and (gasp!) there accounts haven’t been locked!

I don’t really understand why you feel so zealous in your anti-Y!Tunnel campaign. You’re entitled to your opinion, but when you’re constantly harping on the topic, it begins to look a little weird.

yeah right’s comments are not very constructive, and (s)he is offending myself, other chatters, and other moderators. (S)He blatently has no respect for our opinions or contributions. If you want a state such that you can express your own opinion, expect others to read it, and allow no contributions, why not make a website, or publish in some other media, that way you don’t have to worry about us little people posting.

(S)He has started a post about Y!Tunnel, when there has already been one it, which turned into the same as this post, one long argument.

They also just created another post about booting too in the thread entitled Yahoo! Chat and Messenger 5.6.

Why also didn’t you form one reply instead of 5 one after the other?

I also have studied further education, and am now studing in higher education, that is College, and then University to you. This dose not make my comments more worth reading than anybody elses, nor does it mean I know more, we do not have Y!Tunnel or Yahoo! chat modules in our courses, and I can almost certainly say you do not either. It also doesn’t mean one knows how to decompile and interpret a program, which is something almost impossible to do.

You also have no right to tell who can reply to your threads, they are open for all users, only the moderators hold these rights.

Yahoo! don’t care about the use of Y!Tunnel or other clients, why should you? The only people reallly bothered right now are those who code the booters and are having a hard time producing effective stuff.

I really don’t think your comments are appropriate, and you are being very offensive, this forum is for people of all ages and backgrounds, and you have decided you can be abusive and command what people do.

People have a right to express their opinion, and they should be respected too.

I don’t recall your name.

I also took Y!Tunnel apart, when it was being branded a Trojan, I decided to do some checks, then I wrote on my site about it.

It’s basically, at the point of Yahoo’s server, no different from other 3rd party software. None of the 3rd party clients force Yahoo! ads on you, and if they did, they don’t do it in such a way as Yahoo! Messenger does, which uses direct advertising by taking the type of room you’re in and matching the type of ad displayed. I know YahELite has an option to launch a Yahoo! ad when you exit chat, it just displays any old ad that Yahoo! randomly selects.

I don’t think the issue here is over the use of trademarks and copyright, for copyright issues to have taken place, something must have been copied, and it hasn’t, one can learn the protocol without reverse engineering messenger, just by keeping a log of packets in and out of their PC.

I also wrote a program to remove all the ads from within messenger. Yahoo! don’t appear to care about this, they could have requested to me that I remove it, and if I failed to do so, they could have gone to my webhost, they haven’t bothered.

Yahoo! do deserve to gain revenue from the ads, but not at the service they are providing now. Advertisers would fail to advertise with Yahoo! if they were aware of the amount of dissatisified Yahoo! users. If Yahoo! was more stable, couldn’t be booted or exploited as easily, more would stick to the official Yahoo! software, they would also use it if it included some of the things users want, like a larger ignore list, easy to edit emotions, and other things that you will find in clients. Yahoo! might be free, but they are not doing it from the good of their heart, they get paid by adverisers, so its not like they get nothing, Yahoo! need to start providing better software, people might then use it, and Yahoo! would once again be displaying more ads.

Copyright (not copy write?)

Once a person produces a piece of work, they immediately hold all the copy rights to that piece of work until 50 years after their death (less if the work was generated by computer, such as programs which are generated by compilers etc…, which 25 years applies).

If they reserve their rights to copy, display and every other right, and someone comes along and makes an exact copy of that piece of work, they have breached the person’s rights, and they could sue, it’s not the state who sues, its the person who the work belongs to. If Y!Tunnel was holding Yahoo! Messenger on their servers, and allowing people to download, this would be a breach of Yahoo’s rights, they are not allowed to hold a copy in such a way, or make it publically available in such a way.

A piece of work is copied only if the new work is an exact copy of part or all of the work. The piece claimed to have been copies must exactly match the new work for it to be a breach of their rights.

Software can be copyrighted, like Yahoo! Messenger is, but only if someone produces an exact copy of part or all of it, are they in breach. Y!Tunnel is simply not a copy of any part fo Yahoo! Messenger, I don’t see any exact copies within it.

Y!Tunnel does however use the same IDEA as Yahoo! Messenger. This is under intellectual property rights too, but IDEAs are patented, not copyrighted. You can’t usually patent software. If this was the case, every other messenger out there would be in breach of Yahoo!’s patent, such as AIM, MSN etc…

Y!Tunnel also doesn’t misuse the Yahoo! trademark in any form. It is not pretending to be affiliated with Yahoo! in any way. Only Yahoo! software is permitted to use the Yahoo! servers.

Trillian is in the same situation as Y!Tunnel, it does not receive support or the rights to use Yahoo!’s servers.

My information is based upon the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (UK).

The following is taken straight from WIPO:

Do you need to register to be protected?
Copyright itself does not depend on official procedures. A created work is considered protected by copyright as soon as it exists. According to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, literary and artistic works are protected without any formalities in the countries party to that Convention. Thus, WIPO does not offer any kind of copyright registration system.

However, many countries have a national copyright office and some national laws allow for registration of works for the purposes of, for example, identifying and distinguishing titles of works. In certain countries, registration can also serve as prima facie evidence in a court of law with reference to disputes relating to copyright.”

Yeah Right – Have a look at some information about International Copyright Law before you decide to tell people how the system actually works. I work in an Art Gallery and happen to know quite abit about the ins and outs of copyright. I even took a course in college about it (Yes, I went to college as well). If you want to learn abit more about how it works have a look at WIPO – World Intellectual Property Organization

Lets try to avoid a pissing match here. If you want to share your opinions or facts with us, your welcome to, but don’t expect members to always agree. We are all entitled to our opinions, whether they may appear to be based in fact or not. If you can’t back up your facts, then they are by rights opinion.

Sometimes rules need to be broken in order for changes to develop. If you are willing to sit idly by without questioning the “rules”, then how will things get better? Progress will not come through ignorance.

Yes we are talking about Y!Tunnel and you are perfectly on topic.

One question: How do you expect someone to create an anti-booting program without first knowing how to boot?

People create pirated versions of all sorts of programs. Do you expect Microsoft to start handing out free Office Cd’s because they can’t stop them from being cracked? Not likely. If you pirate software and distribute it, then the creator of that software has every right to shut you down. Whether you like the software or not.

Perhaps I am still missing something here, because I still can’t see what is so BAD about a program that seems to help so many people keep booters at bay. You still haven’t convinced me yet. The only legitimate argument I have heard so far is that it breaks Yahoo’s T.O.S. How is the use of Y!Tunnel hindering you from using Yahoo services? You have a choice – Use it or don’t use it. Yahoo is not going to shut the software down just because of a silly online petition. I am sure they are aware of Y!Tunnel and I don’t believe they care. But we shall see what happens in the future.