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August 26, 2003 at 3:40 pm #91826freddyMember
Chet doesn’t use the Yahoo! name to brand the software. It’s called y!tunnel. I’m not sure why you would go to an English Professor or Computer Scientist for legal advice, a law professor or lawyer would be better!
Writing another ending to a book would be acceptable, if you didn’t include any of the preceeding text into the new ending, and that the new ending had its own name. It would however be a strange book, and you would need the author’s permission to state you had to read the first X chapters of another book first.
Books and software are different. Someone suggest to me Y!Tunnel may infringe the “Y!” in Y!Tunnel. As far as I know, only the actual red image with the Y! is trademark owned by Yahoo!. It’s not possible to register a single letter as a trademark.
Right. I just remembered now that Y!Tunnel injects code into Yahoo! Messenger. I don’t think the early versions, which I took apart did this. This indeed is infringing Yahoo’s copyright over Yahoo! Messenger.
If however the proxy didn’t change Yahoo! Messenger, it’s not actually an addition, and doesn’t interfere with the actual coding of the program, and hence it would not be infringement.August 26, 2003 at 5:42 pm #91801RJMemberYtunnel does not alter the Yahoo executable or inject it’s own code into messenger. That is entirely bogus.
If you had taken apart a ytunnel was it one that was paid for or was it from another source, big influence difference since getting the program from other sources can be modified versions anyway.
Ytunnel sure is copyrighted and are part of the dll’s that are used, you should really check your info.
Using a proxy would be illegal? I’m interested in hearing more of this explaination further. Many available programs use proxy services for redirection either from loopback or other location, this does not alter the main application. If you are with a company, more than likely you will have these security options in place as being mandatory.
Third party clients, especially ones not endorsed by Yahoo Inc, hmmm, they connect to the yahoo servers, and have options for chats in general, ytunnel doesn’t connect to servers. Booters connect to servers as well and disrupts the service. ytunnel doesn’t connect to servers, nor interferes with the service, all it does is wait at the client side and intercept and filter. Doesn’t affect it, nor cause the public harm – does this make it more legal for you?
August 26, 2003 at 6:44 pm #91825freddyMemberI agree on most of your post RJ other than:
Y!Tunnel does something to the exe or the program code in memory, because it adds it’s own menus to the list, which however, is in breach of copyright.
When someone goes through a proxy, the proxy server has to make the connection the client intended to make, so Y!Tunnel is connected to Yahoo!, otherwise it wouldn’t be much of a proxy if it just connected to the client.
For your information, It was an early version i looked into, at the time many of the people who help in the Yahoo! Chat Help rooms were branding the program a trojan and other things, just because this is what they are like, and to prove them wrong, i monitoed what it did etc… and made what I found clear. It was an official one, it was when it first came out, and so there was no paid option, it was one of those betas.
August 26, 2003 at 7:58 pm #91800RJMemberYahoo goes through ytunnel then through the loop back to the client, nothing wrong with that. This is a middle process with the server data going through ytunnel before getting to the client. Connecting is one thing but doing malicious activity through the server is a different story. The connection part is only of acceptance and nothing is done on the server side, think of it like a connectrequest procedure in programming for the winsock control, all it is.
Your right about the menu lists, That would have to be up to Yahoo to decide on. To my knowledge Yahoo hasn’t complained or isn’t suing. The integration has been included for a long time.
August 27, 2003 at 12:49 pm #91824freddyMemberYep.
I have no problems with Y!Tunnel. I don’t use it, but if people want to, let them! Yahoo! don’t care, and it sure doesn’t affect me!
September 20, 2003 at 4:05 pm #91865homiedMemberOne other thing yahoo needs to take care of is the porn bots. That is all I have to say on this topic.
September 20, 2003 at 7:31 pm #91799RJMemberI’m surprised that not many people understand about the bot ads and why Yahoo doesn’t do anything about them. Anyone ever think that Yahoo may know about them and are responsible for having them there?
On rare occasions when viewing profile pages or even yahoo home pages there were slip ups where I had been redirected to adult finder or related sites, these were on official Yahoo pages that for a split second you will noticed these redirects, sometimes they are evident and stay, and other times not. It is obvious that those type of ads are part of Yahoo’s revenue are so are those type of spamming bots.
Yahoo will not be dealing with them any time soon I’m afraid.
September 20, 2003 at 7:53 pm #91823freddyMemberThere is a difference between personal ads/dating services popups that popup on Yahoo! profiles etc… and the (illegal) hardcore pornography sites posted in Yahoo! Chat by 3rd parties.
Yahoo! don’t support the latter, they invade the services. I know that any bot that goes room to room posting URLs will be disconnected after about 8 rooms. If you go room to room and post any other text other than URLs, disconnect doesn’t apply, there is a little bit of server side code to attempt to stop these.
3rd party clients include words to filter, such as xxx,naked….
September 21, 2003 at 1:57 am #91862pasalcosMemberNO ONE HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTION – which I thought was simple enough … does Y!TUNNEL give COMPLETE anonymity to the user in a chat environment?
You gits are arguing about something that is not even realistic … because if YAHOO! and the rest of these folks wanted to invest the time and resources to completely “cleaning up” their systems from all the pervs, hackers, bots and the rest of the “clutter” out there, including squashing programs that adjunct to or operate from their basic processes, they would.
Don’t you all understand that the guys and gals running these outfits got their starts just like most of you: THEY PLAYED UNTIL THEY GOT IT RIGHT – then went out and made GILLIONS OF DOLLARS, so folk like us could learn, play and enjoy this technology. SIMPLE – even for a GIMP (whetever the hell that means) like me to understand.
While you are arguing about technicalities, legalities and so forth, they are out there MAKING MONEY – all you are doing is investing time.
NOW – someone PLEASE let me know – is there a program …Y!TUNNEL or otherwise … which will allow completely anonymous and virtually total invisibility in chats?
Please???
thanks
pasalcosSeptember 21, 2003 at 2:42 am #91803OreoMemberNO. There isn’t. All PC’s, laptops and any other computers have a unique number…if you’re connecting with it SOMEONE will find a way to find out who you are. Besides….isn’t the whole point of chat to BE SEEN so you can…in fact CHAT? No program is TOTAL and COMPLETE in the computer world…..just as soon as someone comes up with a foolproof program…there is someone out there who starts to work on breaking it down. Does that answer your question?
September 21, 2003 at 1:13 pm #91822freddyMemberQuote:quote:You gitsThe perfect way to get help eh, abuse those who you seek help from.
You can pay http://www.theproxyconnection.com $25/month and have anonymity.
September 23, 2003 at 2:43 am #91861pasalcosMemberFREDDY – hopefully no one was seriously offended by that, and if so MEA CULPA … I was – I hope – trying to point out that persons who engage in pointless – though enlightening to this GIMP [an insult there?] – arguments are only wasting time.
I feel that the DEBATE over legality is moot – as is the argument over proprietary mechanics and “ownership,” because, as it was so well pointed out by OREO, the moment one “product” hits the net, someone equally talented or curious will be ther to improve, destroy, modify or otherwise the product to suit their own needs/wants/desires.
Thanks OREO, for your response. I guess that i am not looking for complete anonymity, and invisibility, but to “hide” adequately so that if I am in an alias which is unknown to someone, they will not be able to tell it is me unless I “rat myself out.” I suppose, though, that there are programs available to someone/anyone “savvy” enough to use them, so that if they know the ID NUMBER of your hard drive, they can tell it is you no matter how hard you try to hide.
I am learning – and thanks to you all for the teaching.
SHALOM
pasalcosSeptember 30, 2003 at 5:39 am #91867aspirinParticipantFor all I know, you could all be the pope. (Moderators please bare with me)
For all I care, Why am I posting ?
Anyway, I think the MAIN PROBLEM has been scuffed over looong enough now, the Complete waste of time spent arguing about booters vs blatently ABUSABLE coding (to which degree depends on which degree you have – if you have 360 degrees, you are the worlds BEST hacker). Facts are : You are HACKABLE ! This is the whole point, I write a program, someone else hacks it, this inevitably means I didnt write it good enough. I understand EXACTLY why people get angry. Enough is enough – how many times have you been to the tedious stage ?
In the first instance : This has to be the principal. CHAT < say no more.
Oh dear someone said “booters are back” cue FIX Y!This Y!That Java Chat 2.0 D.I.Y.4.6 Trillian/s and trillians of pretty smilies flying past, then I i’m on the toilet, for want of a better discription, your pc is hanging with a memory leak going round in circles (or something to that effect) : happy yet ?
Next we have the hijacker who has been hijacked by a hijacker and a family tree starts to grow ?lost? : Well you probably know what a trojan is…. imagine a trojan sent by a trojan sent by a trojan and so on and so forth, its been happening for years.
Then we have the “none coders” who are trusting the coders and seeing things like petitions and statements like “its NOT safe”. Oh well, dont feel bad Chet, Its a damned good idea, and all original work using the given technologies, but then abuse (by whoever) – ((who am i to push blame)) (((i couldn’t care less really))) ((((its not like blah blah blah)))
The awful truth that welcomes any new comer (i hate the word noob because we are/were all one, and its used moreso as an insult) to the wonderful world of computers and the internet.
The reality is that there are a staggering amount of people working for you right now, protecting your pc, some dont even realise that actually EVERY SINGLE USER is contributing to the growth of pc’s and security of the said me/you/booters/children etc. Should I leave people to think about that….why not. Jumping the gun is a massive mistake in any sense of the term, similarly running before you walk.
I will admit I was the thickest person ever born, so long as you admit the same. No offence to anyone intended, I just see EXACTLY why we have this continuous rubbish to deal with. Why i feel like this, because I would rather not get angry, but feel lucky I dont. Yeah Right, you are right, so was Chet, so was yahoo, so was everyone here. picking out sillyness is wasting more time and prolonging the agony.
It became very tiresome not to be interested in booting the heck out of someone, much less hacking someones pc and causing untold damage in many ways. I was one of those people who point blank refuse to use messenger or chat 2.0 or any other chat script other than JAVA. and over the years, I must say it has been a complete waste of time other than for one small point, and that is that it happened, it happens, it continues, and wont stop until the objections are sorted out. as for what the objections are, well you can be sure money is involved. I dont see all of this being free.
Anyway, heres to third wolrd debt, kiss your money goodbye, put a genuine smile on your face, not that everyone can smile the same smile. 🙂
there’s a beer here for the angry, is sad that youve been ignored for so long, lets get drunk and smash the place up……….. unthought of ideas just seem to pop up unexpectedly
🙂 HAPPINESS ON A SCALE OF 1-10 scored 5 : I want to see everyone happy 🙁
September 30, 2003 at 5:45 am #91866aspirinParticipantbtw : Moderators : thanks for letting me post on your world contributing site ! Am I really a GimP tho ? 😀
October 12, 2003 at 6:52 pm #91869erik_sicMemberumm..okk..simply enough..Y!tunnel does not stop u from being booted..if ur not on cloak…mattaraffact ytunnel is just good to minimize fonts n stuff…
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