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August 9, 2004 at 4:41 pm #59652OreoMember
Welcome to the site twist. I’m sure someone here will be able to answer your question soon. Maybe it has to do with your OS in addition to your router. The more info you can give us the better we can help you. 🙂
August 9, 2004 at 7:28 pm #59703zhugeliangMemberAhh, these are the questions I like. 😉 I am explaining this “backwards” for a reason, simply because you asked the question backwards, though it is the right question. So, for starters, I’ll explain the difference between software firewalls and hardware firewalls, then I’ll talk a bit about routers, and then on to the IP addresses.
Hardware firewalls are the best of firewalls, those that come with a Linksys router, or even better yet, a Cisco router (although those are way too expensive :p). These firewalls are designed a little bit differently than software firewalls. Software firewalls are meant to keep things from getting OUT of your COMPUTER, while hardware firewalls are meant to keep things from getting IN your NETWORK. That’s the main difference, is the applications of the firewalls. Now, with the open/closed port question: that depends on the firewall in question. Take Zone Alarm for instance. Zone Alarm is designed, so that when a port is “closed,” (or even open) it is really in “stealth” mode. What this means, is that if someone were to try and do a port scan on you, they wouldn’t actually be able to scan that port (or any other ports that are in “stealth” mode). For instance, you have the telnet port (port 23) closed, and you have it set on stealth mode. If someone were to try to scan that port, they would not get a reply, so they would think that the computer doesn’t exist. Your hardware firewall, does this with ALL of your ports by default. You don’t have to change any of the security settings for it, because the most secure (as far as it’s simplicity is concerned) is already set. Granted, it isn’t exactly the most secure, but it’s as secure as you’ll ever need it to be. Software firewalls are also set to a standard security setting, so things like “port stealthing” are also done automatically, so you don’t have to worry about that. However, another key difference between hardware firewalls and software, is that software firewalls ask for you permission to let programs interact with the internet (like yahoo messenger for instance). Hardware firewalls, however, do not ask for your permission to do anything, so whatever is set, if you don’t change it, it’s set and won’t change until you do change it. It will let any program out or in (based on it’s rules of course) without asking you, or telling you about it. Though, you should know that anything coming in will be denied, but anything going out will go out unless you make restrictions to certain ports or IP addresses. If you need help with that, consolt your manual, or head to a bookstore and pick up a book about Linksys routers. As far as software firewalls go, your Norton security 2004 should be fine for all you need. Not to mention, you’re hidden behind a hardware firewall (ei. your Linksys router, which doubles as a gateway), which, by the way, is assuming you are using both a “modem,” whether it be broadband like DSL or Cable, or a dial up modem, AND a router. If you only have the modem, it’s going to throw a lot of this stuff off, so please inform us of all that so we aren’t just assuming things.
Anyways, back to assuming things. Now, the way that I am going to assume that your network is set up, is that you have a modem and a router. In this type of set up, your router doubles as a gateway, and provides for what is called “IP Masquerading.” What this means, is that you are hidden behind a network, while your firewall is standing out on the internet. Your IP address that you are provisioned by your ISP, lets say, is 55.44.33.22.11 (not a real IP address, I just made that up mind you). Now, since you have a modem router set up, and you are hidden behind the router/gateway, you will have an ip address of something like 192.168.1.123. Any IP address starting with 192.168 is a network IP address, which means it’s being masqueraded by a router/gateway. So anytime you use either ipconfig or netstat -n, you will see your IP address as a 192.168.1.xxx number. If you are seeing the IP address provisioned by your ISP, hence you have only a modem, lets say it would be 55.44.33.22.11 (for example), then when you did netstat or ipconfig, it would show you 55.44.33.22.11. Either way, you are behind a hardware firewall (since the modem is also equipped with a firewall) you should be safe, but, not as safe as if you were hiding behind a router/gateway with a masqueraded IP address. Oh, and, this isn’t set in stone mind you, some modems actually act as a gateway also, it’s not just restricted to routers and switches, however, it’s rare to find a modem that does act as a gateway. So, the answere to your “netstat” question, is, if you see a 192.168.1.xxx IP address, you’re behind a gateway, which is a good thing. If you don’t see that, then you’re not, which isn’t bad, but in my oppinion, not as good.
Now, for some questions I have for you. What exactly are you reading from the netstat -n that you did. If you are looking for the yahoo IP address or the other person’s, that’s one thing, but are you looking for yours instead. I was kinda confused on that. If you could please explain that a little better, that would help a whole lot. If you want, I can put up a picture of a command line after running netstat so you can see what to look for if you’re not quite sure. Just let me know. Also, if you’re at all confused about any of this, or you still have questions, please ask, I’ll be more than happy to help. 🙂
August 9, 2004 at 7:51 pm #59746rathishgMemberAugust 9, 2004 at 8:11 pm #59704zhugeliangMemberHonestly, I don’t really see the point in using that. I mean, if you wanted that kind of software, you may as well just get ethereal, it gives your more information than that does, plus it can do it in real time. However, for this kind of thing, netstat -n will do just fine, it’s simple, easy to read, and, if you need to know what ip address goes with that, do netstat before or after you do netstat -n, and just compare. It’s that easy, no need for programs that just make it more complicted, or are just a waste of time downloading. No offence rathishg, but there really isn’t any use for a program like that.
November 1, 2004 at 12:04 am #59751curiousonevaMemberok I have been trying to use netstat -n and it pops open and shot so fast I cannot view any of it.. help!!! how can I do this??? and can a person obtain my ip address thru an instant message?? or is that person full of **** when they tell me they are gonna get my ip?? all I have ever done is IM with them, I have never sent her a file or a webcam invite.. I use the latest version of yahoo messenger
November 1, 2004 at 12:15 am #59752curiousonevaMemberCAN ANYONE HELP ME??? I TRY TO IP CONFIG AND THE WINDOWS POPS OPEN AND SHUT SO FAST> HOW DO I GET It TO STAY OPEN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS??? CAN SOMEONE ACTUALLY GRAB MY IP THRU YAHOO MESSNEGER IF I HAVE NEVER SENT THEM A CAM INVITE OR SENT THEM A FILE OR E-MAIL?? I HAVE SOMEONE TELLING ME THEY ARE GOING TO GET MY IP I USE MCAFFEE FIREWALL BUT I AM JUST REALLY WORRIED THIS PERSON WILL GET MY IP #.. PLEASE HELP I AM NOT VERY COMPUTER SAVVY
November 1, 2004 at 6:49 am #59705zhugeliangMemberThis has been stated by many people, many times on this forum before, including me, but I’ll mention it one more time. As I have mentioned before, you don’t need to worry about people grabbing your IP. The only way they can do it if you do not directly connect to them (ie. cam, file transfer, PM but only if they are on your buddy list) is if you use voice in a chat room and they happen to use an exploit that can reveal IP addresses (in theory). However, the chances of them actually being able to do anything with your IP is 1 in a million, and probably even more than that. They are just trying to scare you, so don’t listen to them. Also, there isn’t anything you need to worry about as far as their IP address is concerned, so don’t even bother trying to get theirs. Don’t allow a direct connection (as listed above) and dont use voice in a chat room if you’re THAT paranoid. If he threatens you again, just tell him to bugger off and ignore him.
November 1, 2004 at 2:25 pm #59750BuddhaSmileMemberYahoo masks your IP when you are chatting in the main rooms. At best others will get yahoo’s IP address. BUT if you connect to someone with a peer to peer connection they get your IP address. Peer to peer connections occur when file sharing (not through Yahoo’s file share), PMs and using/viewing Cams. However if you are using a firewall you will not have to worry. Accepting files from strangers pose a far greater risk IMHO.
Just because someone has your IP address does not mean they can do anything with it.
I agree with the suggestions of just putting the lamers who threaten you on ignore. Also set your PMs and invites to friends only.
November 2, 2004 at 1:38 am #59754lawyersgunmoneyMemberok, first click on START ( bottom left of screen)
then click on RUN, in the box type command
this will open a new window ( all in black ) with something like C: in it
type netstat , it will stay open and you can read the IP of any computer that is connected to your computer.
Quote:quote:Originally posted by curiousonevaCAN ANYONE HELP ME??? I TRY TO IP CONFIG AND THE WINDOWS POPS OPEN AND SHUT SO FAST> HOW DO I GET It TO STAY OPEN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS???
NO,they cannot get it through Yahoo unless your using superwebcam or chat using IMvironments
Quote:quote:Originally posted by curiousoneva…….CAN SOMEONE ACTUALLY GRAB MY IP THRU YAHOO MESSNEGER IF I HAVE NEVER SENT THEM A CAM INVITE OR SENT THEM A FILE OR E-MAIL??
Don’t worry, Their is nothing they can do with just your IP
quote]Originally posted by curiousoneva
….. I HAVE SOMEONE TELLING ME THEY ARE GOING TO GET MY IP
[/quote]Good, your using a firewall. Now download and run Spybot, Trojan Defense Suite, Make sure you update your virus definitions and make sure you do your windows updates.
Quote:quote:Originally posted by curiousoneva…………I USE MCAFFEE FIREWALL BUT I AM JUST REALLY WORRIED THIS PERSON WILL GET MY IP #.. PLEASE HELP I AM NOT VERY COMPUTER SAVVY
Send me an email if you have more problems and I’ll help you out.
respectfully,
Lawyersgunmoney
November 2, 2004 at 10:25 pm #59753curiousonevaMemberso again, my question is: CAN A PERSON GRAB YOUR IP IF YOU ARE ON YAHOO INSTANT MESSENGER?? NOT IN A CHAT ROOM, NO WEBCAM, NO FILE SHARE, JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE YAHOO MESSENGER???? USUALLY OFFLINE MESSAGES SENT, NO ACTUAL MESSAGING BETWEEN THE 2 PEOPLE, USUALLY AN OFFLINE MESSAGE SENT?? CAN THAT PERSON GET MY IP ADDRESS???
November 2, 2004 at 10:46 pm #59747kron_19792000MemberI am still trying to figure out How does it matter if that person has your ip or not. No you CAN NOT get an ip if it is just offline messages
November 9, 2004 at 4:12 am #59755polly315MemberI have a question regarding the IP Address. Can someone who has your IP address, locate your email address? I heard that someone who has in possession your IP address can in fact use an IP program to locate your GPS, but what about your email address. Is this possible? I am trying to trace a hacker, and I am considering buying a IP program to find out who hacked into my email account. But is it even worth it?
November 9, 2004 at 9:38 am #59748kron_19792000MemberGPS= Global Positioning System or that is the only GPS I know and if you are refering to that I can not see what the connection is with GPS and an ip address. You can not find the mail ids of a person just from the ip address and No there is no way YOU can track a person who has cracked your account. Buying the ip prog is worthless
November 9, 2004 at 10:13 am #59647Jeff HesterKeymasterThere are many tools available for IP tracing and there are free ones available all it will list however is the ISP domain that you have received an email from ( headers) or traceback from an IP thru your firewall to an IP addy.
GPS will not locate a User unless of course you have plotted the direction in it, you need the address to plot.
A GPS is designed only to locate plotted directions and to locate you in to relation to where you are in a given time. There are GPS designed for cars that attached to other software ( a Map similar to a headsup display in a plane) will guide you to a given plotted course. But it will not locate a Computer user from an email address as there currently no email address phone book ( thats worth a grain of salt).
PS : The program I feel you are refering to I feel is McAfee Visual Trace
December 19, 2004 at 1:03 pm #59742___j0k3r___MemberIm not sure if somebody previously posted this information but if your on somebodys buddy list they can extreamly easily get your ip address so watch out to whom you have on your friend list also if you feel threatend and have a dial up modem just log off the net and log back on 🙂
EDIT: O0o before I forget if you have somebody on your friend list and you type to them its the only way they can get your ip …….. basicly if your on but dont type to them they cant get it unless they send you an invite to somthing and you click deny or whatever………….
O0o and even if you log onto yahoo messenger by use of proxies they can still get your ip 🙂 if it scares you dont add people to your friend list just keep a list of the people you wanna talk to and messege them when you want to 🙂
Thats all the info I have for now I hope I helped and didnt scar you
Life sucks then you die ….. haha thats a lose , lose situationPLEASE use the edit button rather than double posting. Thank you for understanding and welcome to Bigblueball.com
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